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    Player Doozer's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkobra View Post
    Yes they can. You agreed to the terms. If you don't agree, you void your right to play. It's not stealing. This is a service and they are providing a service. You DO NOT OWN anything. You don't own the game. You've paid for the right to play it. This is not your game. This is not your account. This is your permission to use them.

    Also fun little fact for you. I've taken more than a class. I got my degree in music and a large part of it involved contracts. And funnily enough, the ToS was a topic that came up during that degree. That class told us exactly why you're wrong.

    And you know what they said next? "You're welcome to challenge it legally. But they have more money than you, more lawyers than you and the law protects them over you. You agree every single time you continue to use their service. You do not own the service. You have permission to use the service. Nothing has been stolen from you."

    Of course, your fear and defense over something that shouldn't be affecting you alarms me. This is about bots getting banned. Not about your fear of getting banned and your misconception on a very common law.
    It's reassuring to know that someone with much more formal education than me comes to generally the same conclusion.

    I'll be the first to say I'm not an expert on anything, but it also doesn't take an expert to be able to understand what the user agreement says. I think it's meant to be presented, at the very least, in a way that most people can read and understand it. So it's kind of frustrating to be told over and over that I obviously just don't get it when it certainly makes sense to me.

    (No offence to you of course, I'm definitely not saying something like "oh even I know that" or anything.)
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    Player Goji1639's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    It's reassuring to know that someone with much more formal education than me comes to generally the same conclusion.

    I'll be the first to say I'm not an expert on anything, but it also doesn't take an expert to be able to understand what the user agreement says. I think it's meant to be presented, at the very least, in a way that most people can read and understand it. So it's kind of frustrating to be told over and over that I obviously just don't get it when it certainly makes sense to me.

    (No offence to you of course, I'm definitely not saying something like "oh even I know that" or anything.)
    Hate to break it to you, but he didn't really say anything.

    Just claimed to have a degree and basically said what he learned about a ToS is that rich companies can do whatever they want. That's generally true, but it doesn't say anything about the veracity of a ToS clause. Companies still can't LEGALLY take your money for a service and then not provide the service just because they don't feel like it. They can ILLEGALLY do that and use their expensive legal department to get away with it, but that's a different topic.
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