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    Emet-Selch does state that you don't have to be a shard of one of the original Ascians to be "raised up", just that the process is just easier if you are.

    I agree with you and Snow, Elidibus is desperate. It doesn't take a WoL to kill an Ascian, Galuf and Gaius both have shown that. Ardbert and co killed Loghrif and Mitron on the First as well. Emet-Selch's dialogue implied the ascended Ascians were considered somewhat expendable and that it wasn't rare for them to die. If after Lahabrea's death, however, every Ascian that is killed can on longer be replaced it does explain his desperation to kill the WoL and reset the clock as it were. With the WoL's death (and that the Scions) the knowledge that the Scions have gathered on the Asicans would no longer be actionable and would hopefully be lost.

    Eli goes from, "hey isn't the WoL interesting with how gifted they are with the Echo" and "we should be on the same side" in the ARR patch story to personally trying kill them in the Stormblood patch story. So whatever changed his attitude had to happen between those two points. From what we know, Lahabrea's death does seem like a good candidate, but since the WoL wasn't the direct culprit it makes me wonder if there is more significance to it beyond simply the death of one of the unsunderd Ascians.

    I could be overthinking it though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naria View Post
    Emet-Selch does state that you don't have to be a shard of one of the original Ascians to be "raised up", just that the process is just easier if you are.
    I missed that part. I thought you basically had to be an incarnation (how ever diminished) of an Ascian to be awaked and "raised up" into said Ascian. But what I really meant about Lahabrea and Emet-Selch is that because they survived the Sundering intact, they might not be able to be restored post death because (I think) they exist differently than the other Ascians and I don't know if they can be "raised up" in the manner that the broken ones are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Naria View Post
    If after Lahabrea's death, however, every Ascian that is killed can on longer be replaced it does explain his desperation to kill the WoL and reset the clock as it were. With the WoL's death (and that the Scions) the knowledge that the Scions have gathered on the Asicans would no longer be actionable and would hopefully be lost.
    It hadn't actually occured to me that with the death of Lahabrea, they might not be able to raise up more Ascians. If you needed all three Unbroken for whatever ceremony/ritual it takes, then the Ascians got screwed (and by Lahabrea's own dumbassery, no less).

    It would also explain why Elibius went from "hey, let's work together. I really don't want the world destroyed" (although I do figure that the truce Elidibus was trying to propose was for the dual purpose of trying to confuse and manipulate the Scions as well as keeping the certain Ascians mechanications of some of the other Ascians from going too far) to "WoL must die" Elidibus would be keen on trying to kill the WoL and the Scions to try and reset the board (to go back to my earlier analogy) when he decided that they were too much of a hassle to manipulate the way the he wanted.
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