What do you guys think is the cause of severe lack of Tank users?

[ItMe]

[...] so yeah i consider we are still lacking tanks [...]

I don't think I was understood.
People are discussing why they think there is a lack of tanks, but IS there a lack of tanks?
Is this a known problem I'm only now hearing about?
Can anyone support the claim that there is a severe lack of tanks?
Or is there not even a problem there?

Earlier I was simply saying "you've got anecdotes? Me too? But what do we actually concretely know about the number of active tanks?"

[shao32]

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I know, I'm in your datacenter too and I see that tanks are almost always the role in need, I know bcs im leveling AST right now and mostly wait to see if I get the bonus of leveling and get them after several reloads of the duty finder ^^.

I don't think I was understood.
People are discussing why they think there is a lack of tanks, but IS there a lack of tanks?
Is this a known problem I'm only now hearing about?
Can anyone support the claim that there is a severe lack of tanks?
Or is there not even a problem there?

Earlier I was simply saying "you've got anecdotes? Me too? But what do we actually concretely know about the number of active tanks?"

DPS queues didn't really change this expansion so yeah the amount of tanks out there it's roughly the same, the thing is I was saying the changes on healers make the role pretty undesirable for many and now both roles are competing about which one is the least played now, on some data centers are healers on others are tanks.

On resume for the tanks you can feel there is more tanks around bcs DRK poster boy and gunblades but the changes on the role affected the veterans so there is no real changes on his population despite new ppl getting in to it

So there is a lack of tanks? Yes as usual like in every game that have a Trinity system, just right now we are in a weird position where the population is moving but not really growing.

[ItMe]

We're on the same data center? That's neat and all, but I've been levelling BLM almost exclusively with DPS in need level roulettes. I don't know what to tell you other than my experiences don't align with yours.
I guess this just isn't the convo for me Shao32.
Is there a lack of tanks? Who knows!
This thread just seems to be "Let's just assume that there is, then work backwards from there to try and explain why there might be a problem."
Which is too bad because it's seems to have turned the convo into just complaining about tanks, which both isn't constructive and is unfortunate because I like the way tanks work in ShB.
Peace out y'all.

[HeulGDarian]

We're on the same data center? That's neat and all, but I've been levelling BLM almost exclusively with DPS in need level roulettes. I don't know what to tell you other than my experiences don't align with yours.
I guess this just isn't the convo for me Shao32.
Is there a lack of tanks? Who knows!
This thread just seems to be "Let's just assume that there is, then work backwards from there to try and explain why there might be a problem."
Which is too bad because it's seems to have turned the convo into just complaining about tanks, which both isn't constructive and is unfortunate because I like the way tanks work in ShB.
Peace out y'all.

Firstly there has always been a need for more tanks and healers, Compared to dps
Secondly we know that alot of tank players have quit whether it is cause we had friends who simply quit or from raid groups
Thirdly there is a massive outcry from tanks and healers as well as some dps classes, it is safe to assume that some people did quit or changed role/class
obviously the exact number its unknown but it most certaintly isnt something that doesnt exist.
People see different things depending the datacenter ofc and there is also different wants depending on if youre in american servers european servers or chinese servers , something the devs touched upon during BA and how all 3 had a different opinion. This time though All servers are asking that they do something about it, the only thing that differs is how they want to approach things, for more info look at the thread and any other thread you can find. Or if you cant be bothered ask around while you play the game.

[ItMe]

Yeah some have quit, but some have switched to tanking. And there are a load of new players thanks to the success of shadow bringers.
People said there were a lack of tanks. All I wanted was some kind of source or data backing that up. I just wanted stats.
Especially because I saw that big job satisfaction survey on Reddit and saw tanks made two of the top 3 spots.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...urvey_results/
Yeah, it's from reddit and not SQEX itself, but it IS an impressive amount of data and I can't find anything from SQEX itself.
It seemed to me like there was just a vocal minority complaining on the forums... Which is where people go to complain.
I thought someone had data to the contrary.
Something concrete to support the claim that there are less tanks.
If someone has anything please share it. I will continue lurking in this thread, even if I don't intend to post.

[HeulGDarian]

Yeah some have quit, but some have switched to tanking. And there are a load of new players thanks to the success of shadow bringers.
People said there were a lack of tanks. All I wanted was some kind of source or data backing that up. I just wanted stats.
Especially because I saw that big job satisfaction survey on Reddit and saw tanks made two of the top 3 spots.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...urvey_results/
Yeah, it's from reddit and not SQEX itself, but it IS an impressive amount of data and I can't find anything from SQEX itself.
It seemed to me like there was just a vocal minority complaining on the forums... Which is where people go to complain.
I thought someone had data to the contrary.
Something concrete to support the claim that there are less tanks.
If someone has anything please share it. I will continue lurking in this thread, even if I don't intend to post.

thats a 2867 people survey......out of 19.90million

[Kabooa]

thats a 2867 people survey......out of 19.90million

And how many users are in this thread?

[ItMe]

thats a 2867 people survey......out of 19.90million

Also, yes, the 2867 survey is far too small of a sample size

Correct. This is why I'm looking for better data.
People were speaking on this topic pretty objectively, so I figured someone had better data.
That's why I asked for it.

[BarretOblivion]

Yeah some have quit, but some have switched to tanking. And there are a load of new players thanks to the success of shadow bringers.
People said there were a lack of tanks. All I wanted was some kind of source or data backing that up. I just wanted stats.
Especially because I saw that big job satisfaction survey on Reddit and saw tanks made two of the top 3 spots.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...urvey_results/
Yeah, it's from reddit and not SQEX itself, but it IS an impressive amount of data and I can't find anything from SQEX itself.
It seemed to me like there was just a vocal minority complaining on the forums... Which is where people go to complain.
I thought someone had data to the contrary.
Something concrete to support the claim that there are less tanks.
If someone has anything please share it. I will continue lurking in this thread, even if I don't intend to post.

You should look at that survey. Out of that survey the two most under performing jobs for DPS, the worst healer, AST which have hated the rework of their systems since beginning of the expansion, then the two underperforming 'burst tanks' that have been complaining about thier entire job identity (or lack their of) since the beginning and MCH who has not recieved any buffs to keep up with the other DPS. Yes, tanks are in a bad spot, but only PLD is the one with both a high play rate (for tanks) as well as a somewhat high review. GNB which is the highest of the reviews is one of the lowest played Tanks next to WAR... which means people are likely giving it glowing reviews because "its new" and people dabble into it and had fun... but aren't sticking with it.
Also, yes, the 2867 survey is far too small of a sample size when even the larger community (Japan) is now angry with the state of tanks/healers. So trying to say "where is the data" when there is so many different personal experiences as well as just looking at queue times makes it a giant "well no duh they are right about thier premise". Also... DPS in need has always been a thing for 24 mans... cause you only need 3 tanks. Before when we had 6 tanks required it was Tanks in need usually. They had to change the composition for 24 mans just so queue could actually move instead of slowly creeping because they needed too many tanks.