Marketboard PSA

[Awha]

I do not like to be that person, but I cannot help but feel the people that complain about those that under cut are just gil poor because they are lazy.

[MirronTulaxia]

Why though?

Do you not value your time?

The market will bear what consumers are willing to pay. If prices are too high,people won't buy consistently until the prices drop. But of course this doesn't take into account botters and people who do not value their time.



Not a complaint. Just an observation. Let's say X is selling for 75k daily, multiple times. It means, it's at the right price for buyers. Undercutting it to 50k is unlikely going to increase the demand significantly.

Also, I noticed your forum join date. It would appear you joined the game around the same time as me...how is it possible in 2 years, you've not had more than 3m considering that the game hands you gil for doing dailies/weeklies?

Perhaps, if you actually learned how to make the gil and the MB, you might not be in this situation.

Of course I value my time. I value everyone else's time though as well. Making it as low as possible while still being reasonable means more people can have access to it. I'm not sitting here caring about how much gil I can grab up, I'm wanting to get items to people who need or want them.

[Liam_Harper]

The thing I hate the most is how people who just want to empty their inventory sell on mb instead of just vendoring. That way a lot of stuff is worth on the mb even less than vendor price cause everybody just undercuts. At this point we can just remove the mb, what's the point anyway if making money of what took you time and effort to get is apparently frowned upon?

If the items in question are so easy to get that players just want rid of them and that in turn crashes that entire market to the point of no recovery ...the item is worthless. It's literally junk that a ton of people want to get rid of that has low demand.

Sadly, thanks to Enix making gathering and crafting a joke, that applies to the greater majority of items in the game now. They're nearly all worthless.

[TwistedTea]

If the items in question are so easy to get that players just want rid of them and that in turn crashes that entire market to the point of no recovery ...the item is worthless. It's literally junk that a ton of people want to get rid of that has low demand.

Sadly, thanks to Enix making gathering and crafting a joke, that applies to the greater majority of items in the game now. They're nearly all worthless.

Part of it is botters though. To botters who don't invest time like a human player does, crashing items to a very low price doesn't matter.

I agree on the latter.

With the current state of crafting/gathering along with the combination of botters, would recommend people try to make serious gil elsewhere.

[Tlamila]

I do not like to be that person, but I cannot help but feel the people that complain about those that under cut are just gil poor because they are lazy.

Mh I think instead it's people who undercut bigly because they just want to get rid of the item fast no matter what, being too lazy to actually sell things normally without crashing the market.

[Awha]

Mh I think instead it's people who undercut bigly because they just want to get rid of the item fast no matter what, being too lazy to actually sell things normally without crashing the market.

Overall you make it sound like a bad thing when a market crashes and makes items more readily available. The items still sell, just not for the price you personally wish. I mean in the end if people do not like under cutters then buy out the items and repost them. Sooner or later one will give either due to lack of funds, supply, or demand.

No matter how you cut it people seem upset about undercutting because they cannot sell the item at the rate and value they personally desire. If that is the case control that part of the market.

[Jojoya]

Do you not value your time?

Value changes based on the individual and the circumstance. There is no set value for time that everyone accepts.

The market will bear what consumers are willing to pay.

Like time, consumers value products differently. What one person will gladly pay for an item does not indicate what everyone is willing to pay.

Prices only hold as long as the supply will only support those willing to pay that higher price. Once the supply starts exceeding the demand from those buyers, a surplus forms. Sellers don't want to be stuck sitting for weeks on an item because there's a surplus that won't sell and it's preventing them from selling other items. They're going to drop their price trying to attract new buyers.

If there's an untapped demand out there because the old price was higher than many were willing to pay, the price drop will succeed in attracting new buyers. Sellers get rid of their inventory and are able to start selling other items.

I know you've mentioned bots as a reason for prices dropping but you know what's been even more disastrous in many of the game's markets?

The desynthesis changes and quick ventures.

I do not like to be that person, but I cannot help but feel the people that complain about those that under cut are just gil poor because they are lazy.

Or they're trying to play the game as a wealth accumulation simulator so want to make as much gil as they can from what they sell, not less.

[TwistedTea]

Value changes based on the individual and the circumstance. There is no set value for time that everyone accepts.

That's fine but I've noticed that people who don't value their time as part of their pricing also tend not to have much gil.

Prices only hold as long as the supply will only support those willing to pay that higher price. Once the supply starts exceeding the demand from those buyers, a surplus forms. Sellers don't want to be stuck sitting for weeks on an item because there's a surplus that won't sell and it's preventing them from selling other items. They're going to drop their price trying to attract new buyers...

I think you're misunderstanding. Prices dropping over time is normal. My observation is for people who undercut on items which are consistently selling at a certain price daily, multiple times. When doing so, does not significantly increase demand.

I know you've mentioned bots as a reason for prices dropping but you know what's been even more disastrous in many of the game's markets?

The desynthesis changes and quick ventures.

It's a combination of many factors. Here are some:
1. Bots
2. SHB making crafting/gathering way easier. You can level all your crafting/gathering jobs in hours thanks to Ishgard Restoration vs leveling the combat jobs
3.The desynthesis changes and quick ventures.

[Warghoul570]

I don’t know whose more annoying.. the don’t undercut me people or the I can’t get a house people.. seriously products get undercut all the time even in reality so deal with it

[Awha]

Or they're trying to play the game as a wealth accumulation simulator so want to make as much gil as they can from what they sell, not less.

If that is the case they have to sort of factor in undercutting or work around it. Complaining about it does not solve much.