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  1. #11
    Player Seraphor's Avatar
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Snek View Post
    To quote Requiescat tool tip:
    Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 150. Potency increases up to 550 as MP nears maximum.
    Additional Effect: Increases attack magic and healing magic potency by 50% if current MP is at 80% or higher, and allows spells to be cast immediately
    Duration: 12s

    Surely the "Duration: 12s" and the "current MP" makes it pretty clear? You deal your 550 potency Requiescat at full mana then get the buff for 12 seconds.
    I'm sorry but that's not clear at all.
    To me it reads as giving you an effect that lasts for 12s, and that effect is "if your MP is 80% or more, your spells do 50% extra damage".

    It should read:

    Additional Effect: If current MP is at 80% or higher, grants the 'Requiescat' effect. Increases attack magic and healing magic potency by 50%, and allows spells to be cast immediately. Duration: 12s
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    Last edited by Seraphor; 06-19-2020 at 09:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    I'm sorry but that's not clear at all.
    To me it reads as giving you an effect that lasts for 12s, and that effect is "if your MP is 80% or more, your spells do 50% extra damage".

    It should read:

    Additional Effect: If current MP is at 80% or higher, grants the 'Requiescat' effect. Increases attack magic and healing magic potency by 50%, and allows spells to be cast immediately. Duration: 12s
    I mean if you actually bothered to play it and used common sense, if you're instacasts don't disappear after your mana drops below 80% then why would the damage buff disappear. and the fact that in SB, PLDs spammed HS x5 in it's rotation which also had a damage/ healing buff under req for the full duration, dunno why all of a sudden it would disappear after mana dropped below 80%, not everything needs to be handed out on a platter, because people can't use their heads.
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  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by aodhan_ofinnegain View Post
    I mean if you actually bothered to play it and used common sense, if you're instacasts don't disappear after your mana drops below 80% then why would the damage buff disappear. and the fact that in SB, PLDs spammed HS x5 in it's rotation which also had a damage/ healing buff under req for the full duration, dunno why all of a sudden it would disappear after mana dropped below 80%, not everything needs to be handed out on a platter, because people can't use their heads.
    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    Now, I barely play PLD so correct me if I'm wrong...
    I don't see why tool tips should be purposefully misleading until you use the skill to find out for yourself.
    That would seem to me like you're saying tool tips are useless and we should all work it out purely by playing it instead of utilising an informative resources the devs provide us with.

    Why is it that you're emotionally invested in this specific tool tip that you have to lash out at anyone who suggests a better, clearer option?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    I don't see why tool tips should be purposefully misleading until you use the skill to find out for yourself.
    That would seem to me like you're saying tool tips are useless and we should all work it out purely by playing it instead of utilising an informative resources the devs provide us with.

    Why is it that you're emotionally invested in this specific tool tip that you have to lash out at anyone who suggests a better, clearer option?
    On the contrary, by 68-80 levels I think you should have managed to develop some sort of basic common sense to understand how the skill works within that time frame.

    The most worthwhile way to learn is by doing, so it's not emotionally driven that I argue against your point, but rather from an expectation that people should actually try to figure out for themselves a degree before looking for help, and I already consider the tooltip extremely clear already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aodhan_ofinnegain View Post
    On the contrary, by 68-80 levels I think you should have managed to develop some sort of basic common sense to understand how the skill works within that time frame.

    The most worthwhile way to learn is by doing, so it's not emotionally driven that I argue against your point, but rather from an expectation that people should actually try to figure out for themselves a degree before looking for help, and I already consider the tooltip extremely clear already.
    Is there any downside to more accurate tool tips?
    I'm just trying to work out where this defensive attitude is coming from.
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    Last edited by Seraphor; 06-19-2020 at 11:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casualty View Post
    The buff only activates if you meet the MP requirements, but once it's up, it's up for the entire duration.
    Ah, I was wondering about that one. Cheers. Tooltip could be more clear, honestly.
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    Confiteor can only use one time and will end Requiescat, so it will be use as finisher for Holy Spirit or Holy Circle combo
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    Loken Garvell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    I'm sorry but that's not clear at all.
    To me it reads as giving you an effect that lasts for 12s, and that effect is "if your MP is 80% or more, your spells do 50% extra damage".

    It should read:

    Additional Effect: If current MP is at 80% or higher, grants the 'Requiescat' effect. Increases attack magic and healing magic potency by 50%, and allows spells to be cast immediately. Duration: 12s
    Fair enough. Personally I don't think it needs clarification, but it's such an easy change and if some people need the clarification, why not? Not like it changes anything but makes it clearer for some people (net positive in my eyes).
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    Alexya Ultor
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    Is there any downside to more accurate tool tips?
    I'm just trying to work out where this defensive attitude is coming from.
    This is a personal thing. If an effect will be ended early for whatever reason, SE tooltips go out of their way to state as much. See the Army's Muse buff BRD gets after Army's Paeon ends. Plenty of people read that tooltip and understand exactly what it means, and any confusion can easily be dispelled with a few GCD's of trying it out on a target dummy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure View Post
    I still wouldn't do it [double weave oGCD's on GNB] because there is a good chance to mess up the rotation and it can easily cause a wipe because of server ticks.

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    Also see Dark knight living dead. They always state what will remove the buff. That's how their team designs the tooltips. No need for them to change that otherwise you are going to see more skills that are overly descriptive which usually causes more confusion than the ones that try to get straight to the point. You already have some skills that have a combo action, a combo potency, and 3 combo bonuses attached to them no need for over elaboration on top of that and it being a positional skill as well.
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