*spoiler* What was the point of making Yda... *spoiler*

[Shofie]

I've absolutely always hated this development. I felt like it was bad, lazy writing. There is absolutely no reason "Yda" had to become Lyse except they felt they couldn't write Yda to be what they wanted. They didn't want to introduce "Lyse" as a new character, so instead they repurposed Yda to become Lyse to sort of do a two birds/one stone thing. It has always smacked of very lazy storytelling and it's always bothered me because I actually liked Yda, and I found her dropping literally everything we knew about her (which was never her to begin with, apparently) to "resume" being Lyse was just...weird.

Why the personality change? After pretending to be Yda for years, she just shrugs it off and she's suddenly an entirely different person now?

There's a lot of stuff that bothers me about Lyse beyond this point, but...I liked Yda. There wasn't really any reason Yda needed to be done dirty like that just to bring Lyse in, except it was a lazy rug yank. We already had a relationship with her, and they could avoid putting in more work to build someone else up to use. We're already attached to someone, so let's just repurpose her, I guess.

[Edax]

archbishop thordan was at the top of the HW poster and he's dead. so much for your theory lol

His story had a solid conclusion so yeah that confirms my theory. His story, beginning middle and end was told in HW much like Yotsuyu was told in Stormblood. You could argue he wasn't in it enough but he story didn't trail off the MSQ inconclusively.

[Mhaeric]

His story had a solid conclusion so yeah that confirms my theory. His story, beginning middle and end was told in HW much like Yotsuyu was told in Stormblood. You could argue he wasn't in it enough but he story didn't trail off the MSQ inconclusively.

And Lucia, a minor character at best, has higher billing than all but Alphinaud, Thordan and Haurchefant in that same image, so what's your point?

[Edax]

And Lucia, a minor character at best, has higher billing than all but Alphinaud, Thordan and Haurchefant in that same image, so what's your point?

In the HW poster, it's Estinien and the Warrior of light who take prominent positions and I'd argue that reflects the story in the HW MSQ. Lucia, a minor character at best, is one of the smallest characters in the background of the poster, reflecting her status. She is smaller than Alphinaud, Thordan and even Haurchefant which again reflects that minor status. But in the Stormblood poster, Lyse and Fordola are the biggest and most prominent characters of that poster, which is not reflective of Stormblood because they weren't the most prominent characters of that story. My point being that they didn't know what they were doing with those characters because they had the greatest advertisement but their characters went nowhere in the MSQ. Lyse is even the star of the Stormblood trailer, but again, her character doesn't really go anywhere and her story have much of a conclusion and she has all but the minorest of cameos in Shadowbringers. When the marketing and the story are at odds, that speaks to me of poor planning.

[Mhaeric]

I don't know if you realize how arbitrary your defense of this strange opinion sounds. I don't even know why it's even important.

[Iscah]

Lyse is even the star of the Stormblood trailer, but again, her character doesn't really go anywhere and her story have much of a conclusion and she has all but the minorest of cameos in Shadowbringers. When the marketing and the story are at odds, that speaks to me of poor planning.

Whether her character development was any good or not, she was still physically the central character of the plot in a starring role from start to finish. I have no idea what her lack of involvement in Shadowbringers has to do with this, because she's not on that poster at all.

She is the central character during 4.0 Stormblood, therefore she is prominent on the poster for 4.0 Stormblood. It does not need to account for her importance in future patches.

[Edax]

Whether her character development was any good or not, she was still physically the central character of the plot in a starring role from start to finish. I have no idea what her lack of involvement in Shadowbringers has to do with this, because she's not on that poster at all.

She is the central character during 4.0 Stormblood, therefore she is prominent on the poster for 4.0 Stormblood. It does not need to account for her importance in future patches.

Even if she's physically there, I'd argue she wasn't the central character during Stormblood. Her character did have much if any impact or influence on the Stormblood story, her biggest transformation was her job change to a resistance leader but the story would practically be identical if Conrad was still in charge of Ala Mhigo Resistance/Military. Despite all her screen time, she had the equivalent impact on Stormblood as a background character, hence my opinion that the marketing and story are at odds.

[Iscah]

Even if she's physically there, I'd argue she wasn't the central character during Stormblood. Her character did have much if any impact or influence on the Stormblood story, her biggest transformation was her job change to a resistance leader but the story would practically be identical if Conrad was still in charge of Ala Mhigo Resistance/Military. Despite all her screen time, she had the equivalent impact on Stormblood as a background character, hence my opinion that the marketing and story are at odds.

You can opinionate all you like about Lyse's value to the story, but the fact is:

1. She is intended to be the main character and presented as such within the game.
2. She is displayed prominently on the poster as you would expect a main character to be displayed.

Those two facts are consistent with each other.

Was she a good main character? That's opinion. But the game creators aren't going to keep their intended main character off the poster just because it turns out in the long term of the game that she was a weak and unpopular character who didn't have the impact they wanted her to have. They can't retroactively remove her from the marketing for the section of the game in which she is prominent.

"What the story would be like if Conrad was still in charge" is irrelevant because that didn't happen. Lyse became the leader and was featured in the story as such.

[Edax]

You can opinionate all you like about Lyse's value to the story, but the fact is:

1. She is intended to be the main character and presented as such within the game.
2. She is displayed prominently on the poster as you would expect a main character to be displayed.

Those two facts are consistent with each other.

Was she a good main character? That's opinion. But the game creators aren't going to keep their intended main character off the poster just because it turns out in the long term of the game that she was a weak and unpopular character who didn't have the impact they wanted her to have. They can't retroactively remove her from the marketing for the section of the game in which she is prominent.

"What the story would be like if Conrad was still in charge" is irrelevant because that didn't happen. Lyse became the leader and was featured in the story as such.

But she's not a main character. If Lyse were not even in the story, it remains practically identical. If Lyse isn't there when you first go to Ala Mhigo, nothing significant changes. If Lyse isn't there when you visit the Far East, nothing significant changes. If Lyse isn't there when Zenos "kills" himself, nothing significant changes. If Lyse isn't there to take charge of the Resistance, nothing significant changes. Is Lyse a distinct enough character to make a decision as leader that Conrad or M'naago wouldn't do? I would argue no. In HW, Estinien had a significant impact on the plot, he was the villian for a good portion of it. In Shadowbringers, the Crystal Exarch had a significant impact on the plot, in fact the entire premise of the story wouldn't exist without him. Main character typically are very important to the plot. Luke going from farmer to Jedi was very important for Star Wars, you couldn't even have Return of the Jedi without his job change. You can't say the same for Lyse.

[Iscah]

But she's not a main character.

She is an ineffective main character. That does not make her "not a main character".

But I'm clearly wasting my time here.