Healers who rescue pull tanks into mobs.

[HadesNight]

There's a point around endgame where you start to see Wall to Wall pulls more frequently, but it's hardly some community rule or standard that everyone understands and follows. If healers ask for big pulls it's safe to assume they can handle it, but just defaulting to wall to wall pulls every time is often going to be suicide. It's a dumb expectation.

I've played WoW and even that community doesn't seem quite as anti-social as this one. Players there can actually be convinced to talk to each other if they'd prefer things done a specific way.

Interestingly enough, on Aether it FEELs like wall to wall is the norm. I mean, it's my absolute go to. Pop sprint right before a mob, a CD of choice, pick up the packs you can, position them and aoe them down. It seems really efficient but it only really happens like after that initial patch release. When everyone is geared. The first couple weeks are rough in new content (but also kinda exhilarating) when you wall to wall and don't know if you'll survive. After people are geared, you kinda just always survive anyway lol.

That's interesting about WoW, I've only played FFXIV but I've heard nothing but bad things about the toxic nature of the community. Our game kinda protects people in their right to be inconsiderate, so I almost wish for a bit of that transparency that other games have.

[gumas]

No fun allowed, at this point just replace every human being in duty with a bot.

well... there's trust system, that's a start. let just see how yoshi improve it in the future.

[Goji1639]

Interestingly enough, on Aether it FEELs like wall to wall is the norm. I mean, it's my absolute go to. Pop sprint right before a mob, a CD of choice, pick up the packs you can, position them and aoe them down. It seems really efficient but it only really happens like after that initial patch release. When everyone is geared. The first couple weeks are rough in new content (but also kinda exhilarating) when you wall to wall and don't know if you'll survive. After people are geared, you kinda just always survive anyway lol.

That's interesting about WoW, I've only played FFXIV but I've heard nothing but bad things about the toxic nature of the community. Our game kinda protects people in their right to be inconsiderate, so I almost wish for a bit of that transparency that other games have.

I mostly Wall to Wall myself, but it's mainly because I was a Paladin for most of my time tanking. Clemency is an amazing safety net for those times where you've pulled the entire area just to realize the healer and DPS aren't going to be much help. Switching to Dark Knight, however, has me more apprehensive, so I test pull the first couple groups. If everyone seems solid I'll pick up the pace, but I'm not going to just run ahead of everyone and die as the opening to most of my roulettes.

And yea, WoW's endgame at least can be pretty toxic, and I haven't really done Savages in this game, so maybe in that regard this community is better. As far as attitudes in general/casual content go, however, this is one of the worst games I've played. You'd think the world was ending if a roulette takes an extra 5 minutes, and the refusal to communicate is astounding to me. I've never had this specific conversation in any other game; where I had to fight the community over the prospect of asking for something at the beginning of a run.

[HadesNight]

I mostly Wall to Wall myself, but it's mainly because I was a Paladin for most of my time tanking. Clemency is an amazing safety net for those times where you've pulled the entire area just to realize the healer and DPS aren't going to be much help. Switching to Dark Knight, however, has me more apprehensive, so I test pull the first couple groups. If everyone seems solid I'll pick up the pace, but I'm not going to just run ahead of everyone and die as the opening to most of my roulettes.
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Ah I main DRK, I have since 3.x series! Just go for it! The blackest night is lovely and I find I have no trouble at all keeping myself alive when cycling through my CDs. I find that in our regular dungeons, even if I get down to 10k on a pull as long as I don't die, it completely works. I've had some excellent healers that ignore me until the last minute lol, and it's because they are burning down the packs. TBN is excellent for stalling some of the damage. Arms Length is also amazing now because it casts a slow when you get hit, stalling some of the damage in clutch moments until your TBN is back and the healer can get to you!

Clemency was completely nice but I feel like all the tanks are really well balanced now for solo survivablility. DRK traditionally was the "greedy" tank, that didn't have much in it's kit for the party but was great for keeping itself up, so abuse it lol. Clearly, I'm passionate about DRK xD

Your method of testing the first few groups works too! I made a macro I run that just asks a healers preference at the start and it says something like "thank you! Let's aoe them to the ground!" just to try and remind them to DPS as a far shot. Most of the time they don't but at least I tried in a kind way. It saves you time if you ask in the beginning what the healers preference is in regards to small or big pulls.

I'm sorry to hear about your experiences! Honestly, this game is fantastic. I adore it and it's like, yeah some people are toxic assholes, they get off on it because this is the only place they can assert any form of control but they don't matter. I think if you're finding people are impatient, take it upon yourself to communicate your needs at the outset. It's totally ok to say "hey I'd like to single pull, I'm feeling out DRK". The people that want to leave will leave, and thats it. I think the answer is, if you find that a bad experience happens, you can't control other players no matter how frustrating it is, so do more on your end to try and over communicate. From a fellow tank main, I really feel like I've had good success on Aether by asking healers what pull sizes they want and thanking them for letting me know and keeping my CDs on cooldown. Hopefully your DC isn't full of inconsiderate people!

[Bopsheezi]

If tankxiety isn't a thing, what do you call the feeling you get when you're new to tanking, or are unsure of your skills?

::Thonk::

[TyrTry]

If tankxiety isn't a thing, what do you call the feeling you get when you're new to tanking, or are unsure of your skills?

::Thonk::

Being nervous.

[HadesNight]

Being nervous.

anx·i·e·ty
/aNGˈzīədē/
noun
a feeling of worry, nervousness, or unease, typically about an imminent event or something with an uncertain outcome.

Tank anxiety, tankxiety. It's a portmanteau.

[Bopsheezi]

Being nervous.

Yes, it's a silly word, but it's descriptive.

[TyrTry]

anx·i·e·ty
/aNGˈzīədē/
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noun
a feeling of worry, nervousness, or unease, typically about an imminent event or something with an uncertain outcome.

Tank anxiety, tankxiety. It's a portmanteau.

Ah, yes. The grammar posters. I guess this is the part where you feel clever?

You obviously love being antagonistic, so I'll state that no; tank anxiety is no more real than healer anxiety or dps anxiety.

But you continue feeling special.

[Goji1639]

Ah I main DRK, I have since 3.x series! Just go for it! The blackest night is lovely and I find I have no trouble at all keeping myself alive when cycling through my CDs. I find that in our regular dungeons, even if I get down to 10k on a pull as long as I don't die, it completely works. I've had some excellent healers that ignore me until the last minute lol, and it's because they are burning down the packs. TBN is excellent for stalling some of the damage. Arms Length is also amazing now because it casts a slow when you get hit, stalling some of the damage in clutch moments until your TBN is back and the healer can get to you!

Clemency was completely nice but I feel like all the tanks are really well balanced now for solo survivablility. DRK traditionally was the "greedy" tank, that didn't have much in it's kit for the party but was great for keeping itself up, so abuse it lol. Clearly, I'm passionate about DRK xD

Your method of testing the first few groups works too! I made a macro I run that just asks a healers preference at the start and it says something like "thank you! Let's aoe them to the ground!" just to try and remind them to DPS as a far shot. Most of the time they don't but at least I tried in a kind way. It saves you time if you ask in the beginning what the healers preference is in regards to small or big pulls.

I'm sorry to hear about your experiences! Honestly, this game is fantastic. I adore it and it's like, yeah some people are toxic assholes, they get off on it because this is the only place they can assert any form of control but they don't matter. I think if you're finding people are impatient, take it upon yourself to communicate your needs at the outset. It's totally ok to say "hey I'd like to single pull, I'm feeling out DRK". The people that want to leave will leave, and thats it. I think the answer is, if you find that a bad experience happens, you can't control other players no matter how frustrating it is, so do more on your end to try and over communicate. From a fellow tank main, I really feel like I've had good success on Aether by asking healers what pull sizes they want and thanking them for letting me know and keeping my CDs on cooldown. Hopefully your DC isn't full of inconsiderate people!

I was lucky when I first learned tanking I think, only a handful of instances of people being genuinely inconsiderate. Most of my impressions nowadays are from leveling alts, and witnessing how people behave with new tanks. Rescue pulling specifically is something I've seen frequently lately as an inconsiderate way to "deal" with new tanks; hence the thread.

And, let's just say the way this thread played out has kind of illustrated that being inconsiderate is a popular mindset in this community. I do think this is a great game, but for the most part I think it's a great game despite the community, not because of it.

Regardless, I do think I'll switch DCs if I start seriously getting into the endgame.