Why people still USE ACT knowing their breaking TOS ??

[Darkobra]

Far easier way to reduce "toxicity" players do not take getting removed or being called out personally and either use the experience to seek out info to get better, or just ignore it and move on and find like minded players.

Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away. It's HOW you tell someone that makes the difference. Throwing abuse at someone and then adding "Because DPS" at the end is still abuse.

I think you don't know what toxicity means.

[ForteNightshade]

I sorta wish SE would add something to block parsers from running. I think the loss of that Epeen contest would do more good then bad for the entirety of the community. Raiding was alot more fun back in the ARR days before parsers became mainstream in this game. I honestly feel parsers and FFLogs made progression a lot worse then it use to be before they existed for the majority. At least in terms of initial learning and fight strategies are concerned.

While I agree people do place far too much importance on logs during prog, blocking ACT isn't the solution—nor would it enjoy the raid scene. It would kill it. Without that parse, people have zero reason to care beyond clearing once or twice since, well, what's the point? Better gear becomes meaningless when you can't really see the impact it has. Which is what most players doing Savage care about. There's a reason parses are so popular in these kinds of games.

Part of the greed factor can also be blamed on poor design decisions. Lets take the most egregious example: melee uptime. A big reason melee greed so aggressive is they lose a significant amount by disengaging. And their only alternatives are absolute garbage range abilities. Piercing Talon, for example, is so laughably weak, it is mathematically better for Dragoons to do nothing than break their combo by using that ability. Monk doesn't even have that. If Piercing Talon did, say 300 potency and no longer broke your combo. You'd see a lot more Dragoons willing to pull off because, while remaining a loss. The difference is substantially less.

GMs can't follow you around and then ban you at will. If no one reports, you can get away with all caps slurs in /shout, bullying, harassment and threats. Anything goes. The difference is if someone reports or not.

I am aware, however my point still stands. Had Arthars not put his Twitch information in his search profile, the GMs would do nothing. They only respond outside of the game itself if you link back to it. Hence why FFXIV NSFW pictures are plentiful on Twitter yet there have only been two instances of people getting in trouble. And guess what? Both linked to their Lodestone.

The number of incidents where FFLogs has caused toxicity to be directed at me can be counted on one hand, but the mere fact that it enables such behavior at all irritates me. People should concern themselves with how someone performs in the now, not some silly number that can be easily skewed by inconsistent parses or misinterpreted via stupidity. A lot of people will only look at a bad parse without actually looking into what caused it, which can include deaths that were caused by mistakes on the part of other players. I cannot begin to count the number of times I've died at E6S due to getting an air bump circle but not having anyone get into it to keep me from dying for starters.

Thing is, those types of players will always find an excuse to be jerks. It has nothing to do with FFlogs even if they happen to mention logs. I've been "called out" as trash by a Samurai who was a thousand DPS below me simply because I said we didn't have the damage to beat the fight (Tsukiyomi EX btw). He clearly wasn't parsing since he and his Dragoon friend—who was even worse—were the problem. He was simply being a jerk and didn't like I implied we couldn't clear.

[Awha]

Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away. It's HOW you tell someone that makes the difference. Throwing abuse at someone and then adding "Because DPS" at the end is still abuse.

I think you don't know what toxicity means.

Way I see it if people cared less about the how and more so about the way we would have less issues. It is extremely rare for someone to be called out without reason. Sure maybe they could be nicer about it, but imo it should not be expected. Take the feedback at the core ignore the emotional stuff and it is far easier to accept criticism.

Remember we are talking about a video game here, sure I get abuse is bad, but idk if I put being called trash as abuse but I am dark.

[PharisHanasaki]

People use them because the fights require a certain dps check to clear.

You can just use the in game dummy.
I think I would be good to add an option for savage in PF where it checks if you cleared the dummy with your current job before allowing you to join.

fflogs only exists to inflate people's ego.

[Awha]

You can just use the in game dummy.
I think I would be good to add an option for savage in PF where it checks if you cleared the dummy with your current job before allowing you to join.

fflogs only exists to inflate people's ego.

FFlogs are sre a tool, like any tool it was made to used. How people use said tool is completely separate issue, but one cannot blame the tool itself.

[PharisHanasaki]

FFlogs are sre a tool, like any tool it was made to used. How people use said tool is completely separate issue, but one cannot blame the tool itself.

What other reason is there to such tool?
It's an innacurate tool to meassure other people's performance. Why innacurate? Because people only upload parses to their convenience. I'd be happy if they shut it down.

[PharisHanasaki]

Quite wrong. With FFlogs, you can conveniently access the full details of a battle encounter in an easy to read format that you wouldn't otherwise have access to. It's an invaluable tool for seeing where you went wrong, or where someone else went wrong. Like it or don't, FFlogs is a good thing.

You can do personal logs for this. Yet people upload everything publicly.

[ReiMakoto]

You can just use the in game dummy.
I think I would be good to add an option for savage in PF where it checks if you cleared the dummy with your current job before allowing you to join.

fflogs only exists to inflate people's ego.

Like anything, people like to compete and self improve at something they're passionate about. Getting speed clears and high percentiles is what keeps some people invested in the game long term and coming back to it every week, removing the website would either cause an exact copy to pop up or you kill a significant portion of your audience. Also if you don't care about parses, what does it matter if someone uploads logs of you, you shouldn't care if its not an aspect of the game youre interested in, and if someone harasses you over it report them/ block them. A person who would harass someone over bad logs is someone who would find any reason to harass someone, its not the hammers fault that someone swung it at someone.

[PharisHanasaki]

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I used to care about my logs beecause it bothered me that people uploaded without my permission. Fflogs should be opt in by default.

I once hid my profile, but then I said "Fine, if you want to feel better uploading practice/clear party numbers because you've already cleared and are good at the fight, do it". I haven't looked at fflogs since.

Lots of people are harrassed by that info that was uploaded without their consent. You are all assuming the best use case scenario, when in reality it's been used everyday to harrass or exclude players.

[Videra]

I used to care about my logs beecause it bothered me that people uploaded without my permission. Fflogs should be opt in by default.

I once hid my profile, but then I said "Fine, if you want to feel better uploading practice/clear party numbers because you've already cleared and are good at the fight, do it". I haven't looked at fflogs since.

Lots of people are harrassed by that info that was uploaded without their consent. You are all assuming the best use case scenario, when in reality it's been used everyday to harrass or exclude players.

If I am trying to, for example, farm Ruby Weapon, I have every right to kick a Grey SAM from my group. That isn't harassment, that's just removing dead weight from a party. End of.