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[MichiPichi]

If you play everything all at once, only ARR drags. It's on a schedule. A weekly series, for example- is not always dragged out because it's a story that is told in doses and a particular formula. This is all the game is doing.

In a single sitting, the story flow is excellent as expansions move ahead. This is just how the story is told. It's all written two years in advance and not extended just to bore you either. Beast Tribes too, the story is not prolonged, you're gated behind progress walls to keep playing. The story isn't dragging, you're just not being allowed to gulp it all down at once.

No the story is dragging, video games by designed are played in "doses"/multiple sessions for the most part, mmos especially, so I'm not understanding your point here. MMO lore drags out especially long because of patches and like you said to keep people playing, however XIV's story is just boring and awfully predictable. Also with it's design of gating you and keeping you from being able to get to max level/end game stuff without it adds that much more of the "chore" feeling to it. And when you pair that with how mmo's play it's no wonder.

The story isn't dragging, you're just not being allowed to gulp it all down at once.

Again, I haven't played an mmo where you can gulp the entire story down at once. Yet XiV's story is still extremely dragged out and boring.

Anyone who rates WoW highly on story hasn't actually tried to follow WoW's story. It's a gigantic mess of retcons, badly-written characters, and blatant stupidity that only serves to drag out the central faction conflict.

Never played the game completely through, can only go off of other rating sites and player testimony. I did play WoW classic and some pservers up to WoTLK? And I found that bit way more engaging, fun, and mmoish than XiV and there was a ton of fetch quests there.

[Gula]

Never played the game completely through, can only go off of other rating sites and play testimony. I did play WoW classic and some pservers up to WoTLK? And I found that bit way more engaging, fun, and mmoish than XiV and there was a ton of fetch quests there.

Why not finish before making judgment? Why are you still here if you don't like it? Because the tone I'm getting is immense dissatisfaction. There are people who don't know a lick of the story and still play for raiding and PVP. And they pay for it, so money well spent. But dragging, from my point of view, is a negative. I don't agree with you either, but I would like to know. Praising another game and then saying aspects about XIV isn't to your satisfaction is a sign that maybe you should be playing those instead?

[MichiPichi]

Why not finish before making judgment? Why are you still here if you don't like it?

Oh boy, here we go with the toxic lore people telling people to bugger off cause they don't play the same way they play.

These two questions contradict each other, I hope you know that. Obviously if I'm not finished, why not stay so I can finish and make a judgement like you stated?
Not to mention not everyone plays mmos for the lore. Some people play mmos or a certain mmo to play with friends, to raid, to craft, to play a more complicated IMVU, point is there's loads of reasons other than the lore. If you can't handle that people play things differently then why are you here? In a game with multiple people doing things for a multitude of reasons?

But I guess that type of thinking is above a lore player's capabilities.

But dragging, from my point of view, is a negative. I don't agree with you either, but I would like to know. Praising another game and then saying aspects about XIV isn't to your satisfaction is a sign that maybe you should be playing those instead?

And if something is negative? Yes, dragging is negative and you don't have to agree with me, hence me saying it's SUBJECTIVE (that means opinion may vary). I didn't praise another game, I even said I didn't play it through I said liked that mmo's lore/story telling. Literally nothing else but again...toxic lore players.

You sense dissatisfaction from me about the entire game even though I've given my opinion on nothing but the story lmfao, alright troll. I find the story to be awful, deal with it. A lot of people find the story to be awful, hence story skips and hence them redoing ARR because people keep dropping the game from it and overall dissatisfaction (I brought 10 people here, all of them dropped it because of the forced awful story. They all said they wouldn't mind MSQs if the story wasn't bad).

[Gula]

Oh boy, here we go with the toxic lore people telling people to bugger off cause they don't play the same way they play.

These two questions contradict each other, I hope you know that. Obviously if I'm not finished, why not stay so I can finish and make a judgement like you stated?
Not to mention not everyone plays mmos for the lore. Some people play mmos or a certain mmo to play with friends, to raid, to craft, to play a more complicated IMVU, point is there's loads of reasons other than the lore. If you can't handle that people play things differently then why are you here? In a game with multiple people doing things for a multitude of reasons?

But I guess that type of thinking is above a lore player's capabilities.

I never said anything about lore in any of my posts in this thread. Calling someone toxic for asking you to explain yourself, real mature. I just brought up a point- no, an objective fact about how people pay to play and don't care about story and did not judge them for it.

Did the big kids who enjoy reading hurt your feelings? So sad.

[MichiPichi]

I never said anything about lore in any of my posts in this thread.

This entire conversation between you and I started because of lore/story.

Your post was good until this.

Check those Shadowbringers reviews again.

Not to dismiss the greatness that is Heavensward and Post 4.0 Stormblood, but it's the best.

ARR- ok. Even the staff recognizes this and states it was a low point, but it does not speak for the whole of XIV.

Out of everything I said you wanted to point out the one off topic thing (the lore) and converse about how it's not bad.

Calling someone toxic for asking you to explain yourself, real mature.

You didn't ask to explain your start was

Why not finish before making judgment? Why are you still here if you don't like it?

The fact that you think since someone doesn't like the lore in a mmo they don't like the entire game and it should be questioned why they are here, says enough in it's own. So yes, you're a toxic lore troll, like the other dude I replied to. Never once have I heard someone complain about *one* aspect of a mmo and go "Well why are you here?". That type of "logic" is very common here among lore players here and is always followed by a "well this game isn't for you" or "you don't belong here".

Did the big kids who enjoy reading hurt your feelings? So sad.

Exactly, it is sad that some dude gets his panties in a twist because someone doesn't like the lore in an mmo. Maybe one day he'll grow up and stop erping limsa and actually talk to women or maybe not .

[TheMightyMollusk]

The fact that you think since someone doesn't like the lore in a mmo they don't like the entire game and it should be questioned why they are here, says enough in it's own. So yes, you're a toxic lore troll, like the other dude I replied to.

Believe it or not, disagreeing with you doesn't make someone a "toxic lore troll". I just find WoW's story to be increasingly awful. It's one of the main reasons I gave up on it.

[Awha]

Disagreeing is one thing, but depending on how one words it one could take it as a personal attack on their preference or taste. Personally I think people use toxic far too liberally, but taking a shot as to why that is why they claimed the person was toxic, not so much the disagreement, but how it was phrased.

Just my two cents.

[MichiPichi]

Believe it or not, disagreeing with you doesn't make someone a "toxic lore troll". I just find WoW's story to be increasingly awful. It's one of the main reasons I gave up on it.

I never said, nor implied that disagreeing makes someone a troll. I even went into detail about what made them a troll. Them doing the whole "Oh you don't like the lore, why are you here?" in an mmo with a ton of other stuff to do.

You can find WoW's story to be awful, never said you couldn't nor anything about you not liking it.

imagine calling people toxic when you're the one to start crap.

You couldn't possibly mean me? The one that said originally, finding the lore/story good is subjective (meaning it's not even something to argue over which is what they wanted to do)... clearly not I.