Emet-Selch *Major Spoilers*

[EnigmaticDodo]

Just chiming in to say Zenos is boring as hell.

Durr Hurr me like fight.
Pls give me fight!
Oh u no strong!
Weak!
Boring fight!
Where is strong fight!?
Oh u strong fight!
Good yes!
Now we fight!
That was fun!
Me need more fight!

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

At this point they could stop pretending and just do the good 'ol story like Yotsuyu, just give the villain boobs and it will be an instant success and everyone pretends to feel bad for her sob story, wiping their tears from their eyes with one hand (with their other hand in their pants). Heh.

-rolls eyes at last part-
To be fair (from memory) she does have a Backstory that makes you at least a little sympathetic to her character.
But its instantly cast aside when she decides everyone has to suffer and die under subjugation (if thats the right word) even people who haven't wronged her. Heck even Bara Samurai Guy (to lazy to rememeber his name) defending her and caring for her doesn't sway her in the slightest when she gets her memories back.
"Maybe not all Domans are bad, maybe I should rethink things a little" Nope, just slaughter everyone cause I have an abusive past.

The other girl who lead The Skulls at least has a little Redemption and possibly something left to save, Yotsu has nothing.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Just chiming in to say Zenos is boring as hell.

Durr Hurr me like fight.
Pls give me fight!
Oh u no strong!
Weak!
Boring fight!
Where is strong fight!?
Oh u strong fight!
Good yes!
Now we fight!
That was fun!
Me need more fight!

Just imagine him as Kenpachi Ziraki.
They are almost the same character, just ones evil, and the other comes off as evil.
Kenpachi was a pretty popular character despite the whole "I just want something to fight" personality

[Rosenstrauch]

Heck even Bara Samurai Guy (to lazy to rememeber his name) defending her and caring for her doesn't sway her in the slightest when she gets her memories back.

The first thing Yotsuyu does once she's alone after having gotten her memory back is try to kill herself out of guilt. That's a pretty far cry from "doesn't sway her in the slightest". Hell, even after "snapping back" to her old ways, all she does aside from turning herself into a primal is kill three people, all of whom deserved it far more than any of her previous victims.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

The first thing Yotsuyu does once she's alone after having gotten her memory back is try to kill herself out of guilt. That's a pretty far cry from "doesn't sway her in the slightest". Hell, even after "snapping back" to her old ways, all she does aside from turning herself into a primal is kill three people, all of whom deserved it far more than any of her previous victims.

I did say (from memory)
So its easy to assume I got at least something wrong and misremembered details

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

-rolls eyes at last part-
To be fair (from memory) she does have a Backstory that makes you at least a little sympathetic to her character.
But its instantly cast aside when she decides everyone has to suffer and die under subjugation (if thats the right word) even people who haven't wronged her. Heck even Bara Samurai Guy (to lazy to rememeber his name) defending her and caring for her doesn't sway her in the slightest when she gets her memories back.
"Maybe not all Domans are bad, maybe I should rethink things a little" Nope, just slaughter everyone cause I have an abusive past.

The other girl who lead The Skulls at least has a little Redemption and possibly something left to save, Yotsu has nothing.

I don't really like Yotsuyu, or amnesia plots for that matter, but I'll play devil's advocate for a bit.

Fordola's story is one about a girl who has a chance to redeem herself for the horrible things she's done. Yotsuyu's story, while a bit hamfisted, is about a woman who is past the point of redemption. Even when Gosetsu shows her kindness, she can only see two ways forward: suicide or doing the same thing she was already doing.

Both characters are meant to be indications of how their society shaped them, but Yotsuyu decided that the best way to deal with injustice was to torment everyone else just because, and the story doesn't really praise her for that.

[Yencat]

I don't really like Yotsuyu, or amnesia plots for that matter, but I'll play devil's advocate for a bit.

Fordola's story is one about a girl who has a chance to redeem herself for the horrible things she's done. Yotsuyu's story, while a bit hamfisted, is about a woman who is past the point of redemption. Even when Gosetsu shows her kindness, she can only see two ways forward: suicide or doing the same thing she was already doing.

Both characters are meant to be indications of how their society shaped them, but Yotsuyu decided that the best way to deal with injustice was to torment everyone else just because, and the story doesn't really praise her for that.

I don't know if I agree with the 'just because' reasoning. It's made pretty clear that many many people have failed her her whole life. If not the parents or the brother then neighbours, teachers, family friends, her husband's friends/neighbours, the pleasure house owner/slaver, men 'visiting' her in the pleasure house. She's known nothing but abuse and comtempt her whole life and everyone always turned a blind eye, she says as much to Asahi when she's dying. She has legitimate beef with many Domans, if not the Doman culture of 'not my business' as a whole.

Now is she justified in her actions or deserving of redemption because of this? Absolutely not, I'm "happy" she died. Both for her and everyone else, but it's not hard to see how she might have actually gone insane at some point and isn't just being spiteful.

[Shofie]

I actually would've preferred they didn't kill him, so he had to put the legwork in for his "redemption", but killing him has been treated like a redemption arc by a lot of players, unfortunately.

He was going to keep trying to kill untold billions of lives until he was stopped, so he had to die. He couldn't stop--he even tells us this, he's tempered, he will keep doing everything he can, as long as he can, to bring about the Joining. The only way to stop a fanatic on that level is...well, to kill him. There was basically no way to redeem him, and the writers obviously had no desire to.

People taking his final words of "remember us" to be his redemption are missing the point that he had absolutely no issue not remembering us, before he attempted t obliterate our very world.

Hell, he only cared about the WoD because of how powerful we'd be, and we could be a tool for him to use while he went off and genocided some other worlds. He'd also potentially get a companion out of it, so he wouldn't be so bored all the time.

[Tsaranoga]

I don't know if I agree with the 'just because' reasoning. It's made pretty clear that many many people have failed her her whole life. If not the parents or the brother then neighbours, teachers, family friends, her husband's friends/neighbours, the pleasure house owner/slaver, men 'visiting' her in the pleasure house. She's known nothing but abuse and comtempt her whole life and everyone always turned a blind eye, she says as much to Asahi when she's dying. She has legitimate beef with many Domans, if not the Doman culture of 'not my business' as a whole.

Now is she justified in her actions or deserving of redemption because of this? Absolutely not, I'm "happy" she died. Both for her and everyone else, but it's not hard to see how she might have actually gone insane at some point and isn't just being spiteful.

Hah! and how does any abuse excuse that she has people torture and humiliates EVERYONE and kill some of course, including children (too spineless to do it herself)? "They didn't do nothing" doesn't mean anything. I wonder if you could see more of her past where she visits villages, randomly picks a child, gives them a gun and tells them to kill their parents and if they don't, then everyone in the village will be exterminated. I guess she is just making sure the next generation will be as crazy as she is. Come full circle and all that. There really is no logic in trying to come up with reasons for some obviously unhinged cunt. So i ask, why? If she wanted a killing spree, she could have just started with herself. She wanted everyone to suffer for what happend to her, whether they had anything to do with it or not, just because they are from doma. Yeah, not spiteful at all...

[Edax]

People taking his final words of "remember us" to be his redemption are missing the point that he had absolutely no issue not remembering us, before he attempted t obliterate our very world.

I can't recall anyone saying "remember us" as being the words of redemption. Did anyone even say Emet was ever redeemed? I must have missed that.