Please add Savage Roulette Dungeons

[Deceptus]

There's really no reason not to.

More people would attempt the content and eventually learn it. It'd be a way to practice and familiarize with the content without needing a dedicated guild or waiting a lifetime to actually get a party finder group up and running.

For anyone who doesn't like it because "wah, pugs suck, it'll be frustrating, wipes, wah, etc.," you can just not use it.

No, more people would attempt it, fail miserably and never touch it again.

SE: EX trials in the mentor roulette.

[Goji1639]

No, more people would attempt it, fail miserably and never touch it again.

SE: EX trials in the mentor roulette.

People would try it because for the first time in this games history it isn't horribly inconvenient to attempt. Some would fail and quit, sure, but they wouldn't have even attempted otherwise.

I know plenty of people who would enjoy the challenge but simply can't stomach the process of waiting for a party finder group or situating their lives around the schedule of a raiding guild. The end result of a Savage roulette would be more people who are familiar with Savage content and can run it, because there was actually a convenient way to learn it.

[Goji1639]

If people aren't joining learning parties/making learning parties where the time to get into the content would be theoretically the same and can be done at any time, then people aren't going to join it just because it's on a roulette. That said, let's be honest with ourselves here: The VAST majority of the community would find the content too difficult or they wouldn't have the patience. It'd be a waste of time and the devs know it, thus the low difficulty of most of the combat added to the game.

The time to get into the content isn't "theoretically the same." Roulettes are cross-server so those groups form A LOT faster.

I don't have the patience to wait for a Party Finder group; most people don't. Creating a roulette for it would be easy, and it would get more people to play the content. From what I hear Savage isn't even really that hard, it's just nearly impossible to get any practice in. People who can actually get into Savage groups regularly tend to have it down pretty quickly.

It's not prohibitively difficult; there's just NO reliable way to learn.

[ForteNightshade]

People would try it because for the first time in this games history it isn't horribly inconvenient to attempt. Some would fail and quit, sure, but they wouldn't have even attempted otherwise.

I know plenty of people who would enjoy the challenge but simply can't stomach the process of waiting for a party finder group or situating their lives around the schedule of a raiding guild. The end result of a Savage roulette would be more people who are familiar with Savage content and can run it, because there was actually a convenient way to learn it.

The main reason Savage PF groups can take time to fill are because the vast majority of players prefer playing DPS. There's a reason roulette bonuses are Tank/Healer in Need for everything except Alliance. And that's only because you have fifteen available DPS slots. What makes you think wait times would be any quicker in a roulette, especially when you have no control over the party. Get stuck with people woefully incapable of clearing? Whelp, better hope they kick you otherwise you'll have a 30 minute penalty.

Hard content will never work in a roulette. People just aren't going to do it. Or they'll only queue with friends, thus defeating the point.

[Goji1639]

The main reason Savage PF groups can take time to fill are because the vast majority of players prefer playing DPS. There's a reason roulette bonuses are Tank/Healer in Need for everything except Alliance. And that's only because you have fifteen available DPS slots. What makes you think wait times would be any quicker in a roulette, especially when you have no control over the party. Get stuck with people woefully incapable of clearing? Whelp, better hope they kick you otherwise you'll have a 30 minute penalty.

Hard content will never work in a roulette. People just aren't going to do it. Or they'll only queue with friends, thus defeating the point.

Roulettes are cross-server; party finder isn't. The wait times would be WAAAAAY faster in a roulette. If there's no good way to learn the content no one will do it. Party Finder is terrible.

[Billythepancake]

PF is cross server though, unless you choose to make it for your world only. Unless you're referencing to the data center, but, DF can't get you to cross data center either.

[Goji1639]

PF is cross server though, unless you choose to make it for your world only. Unless you're referencing to the data center, but, DF can't get you to cross data center either.

Interesting, could've sworn I heard they weren't. I guess a roulette technically wouldn't be any faster then.

[Brill_]

Roulettes are cross-server; party finder isn't. The wait times would be WAAAAAY faster in a roulette. If there's no good way to learn the content no one will do it. Party Finder is terrible.

PF is cross server.

[EaMett]

People would try it because for the first time in this games history it isn't horribly inconvenient to attempt. Some would fail and quit, sure, but they wouldn't have even attempted otherwise.

I know plenty of people who would enjoy the challenge but simply can't stomach the process of waiting for a party finder group or situating their lives around the schedule of a raiding guild. The end result of a Savage roulette would be more people who are familiar with Savage content and can run it, because there was actually a convenient way to learn it.

I mean, is that really the only issue? Just look at some of the comments on the first page or anywhere else in these forums (the thread of what people will never do in-game). Reality is that as soon as the community expects you to do your homework and reach a certain level of play (which is what savage is about), they view that as "toxic behavior" and don't get anywhere near it. This will be no different.