Has anyone quit healing?

[Grimoire-M]

and with Foxch40s that is this threads 500th reply of healers downing tools and discussing why they downed tools or probably will

I would disagree with dissipation being a summoner ability- it should not be an ability at all. An ability that works by removing the pet from the pet jobs is pure idiocy and it should never have left the concept stage in the same vein as scrapping Energy Drain (crucial mechanic to Sch/Smn), Luminerferous Aether (thereby crippling Ast's mp recovery for 2 expansions now without lucid) and all of healer dps

I could see the argument for keeping Dissipation on SCH as a rotational tool. Using the SMN’s trance as an example, gate Seraph behind Dissipation much like SMN’s Bahamut is gated behind Trance. Have it so Dissipation has 2 charges on a 60-90s cooldown, boosts SCH’s DPS and all healing for its duration in addition to the Aetherflow refresh, then grants Seraph Aether to allow the use of Seraph instead every other time you activate that ability. The charges give enough flexibility to place both as needed for healing, and allows you to use the ‘worse’ half as a damage cooldown.

[FoxCh40s]

and with Foxch40s that is this threads 500th reply of healers downing tools and discussing why they downed tools or probably will

I would disagree with dissipation being a summoner ability- it should not be an ability at all. An ability that works by removing the pet from the pet jobs is pure idiocy and it should never have left the concept stage in the same vein as scrapping Energy Drain (crucial mechanic to Sch/Smn), Luminerferous Aether (thereby crippling Ast's mp recovery for 2 expansions now without lucid) and all of healer dps

The main enemy of the original Summoner questline ate his summon to gain more power, it was literally in the damn questline.

Everywhere in the Scholar questline it was, "Work with Lily, plan with Lily, rely on Lily" not eat the fairy.

[Recon1o6]

I'm not arguing on lore grounds, I'm arguing on mechanic and design grounds. What sort of class would want to benefit from throwing away a chunk of its buttons and mechanics for a temporary stat boost when it doesnt have the tools to make up for it?
We have seen this expansion what happens when removing the pets- the jobs don't function mearly as smoothly if at all and its a sharp unwanted playstyle change

I will admit to forgetting about the story part- I haven't done it since 2.1 on my alt.

[FoxCh40s]

I'm not arguing on lore grounds, I'm arguing on mechanic and design grounds. What sort of class would want to benefit from throwing away a chunk of its buttons and mechanics for a temporary stat boost when it doesnt have the tools to make up for it?
We have seen this expansion what happens when removing the pets- the jobs don't function mearly as smoothly if at all and its a sharp unwanted playstyle change

I will admit to forgetting about the story part- I haven't done it since 2.1 on my alt.

Oh I'm not arguing that Dissipation is a shit skill, it's probably the worst designed skill in the game, it was only made useful back in Stormblood with Quickened Aetherflow, which in Shadowbringers they promptly destroyed and usefulness, but gave it the quality of life change that it needed by having it summon back the fairy.

The single most frustrating thing about all of the Healer changes and abilities added, is that they would have spectacularly fit with the previous abilities of expansions.

The Healers are so absolutely frustrating in every single way for people who have played them since the beginning.

[Billythepancake]

Honestly, I argue dissipation is a good skill now, I use it more than I ever did back in SB, but the main reason for that is because the fairy is so clunky and unreliable that I don't lose anything by not having her out. The 3 stacks of aetherflow she gives me is way more useful than a heal that takes 10 seconds to go out and barely does anything.

[Lethros]

Never had a problem with Dissipation. I like that it's there and have used it lots. Really good for if I need to heal right now and have no other resources to do healing other than GCDs (maybe also don't even really have MP to). Also as an MP generation source if I'm in a bad MP situation. Excluding the sound and look of a few new action upgrades/replacement (art of war, broil III, biolysis), the only actions I've really not liked the addition of are excogitation and recitation. I mean in the way of play/fun/feel

[Recon1o6]

Oh I'm not arguing that Dissipation is a shit skill, it's probably the worst designed skill in the game

Its the worst designed healer skill, I won't argue there. I think the worst one though goes to Anatman or Tornado kick which flat out break how monk functions when they already have buttons dedicated to their function that are better.

Honestly, I argue dissipation is a good skill now, I use it more than I ever did back in SB, but the main reason for that is because the fairy is so clunky and unreliable that I don't lose anything by not having her out. The 3 stacks of aetherflow she gives me is way more useful than a heal that takes 10 seconds to go out and barely does anything.

This right here is proof why this skill and why the pet changes to Sch/Smn need scrapping. If the fairy is so useless that killing it is good, then it shows how poor the entire kit is

[Billythepancake]

This right here is proof why this skill and why the pet changes to Sch/Smn need scrapping. If the fairy is so useless that killing it is good, then it shows how poor the entire kit is

I won't deny that it's useful for the wrong reasons. I do also like it in general though, even if the fairy were useful, if anything, just for down time things. Like in o11s I would use it during the add phase since there was 0 healing to do there, and the fact that the fairy comes back on its own instead of having to waste a GCD on it is a nice quality of life change.

That's like 1 of the 2 things that I can say was a positive for SCH this expac. The only other thing I liked was recitation. Everything else was a negative and I can't wait to clear TEA so I can unsub and play games that don't just frustrate me every time I log on.

[Deceptus]

Never had a problem with Dissipation. I like that it's there and have used it lots. Really good for if I need to heal right now and have no other resources to do healing other than GCDs (maybe also don't even really have MP to). Also as an MP generation source if I'm in a bad MP situation. Excluding the sound and look of a few new action upgrades/replacement (art of war, broil III, biolysis), the only actions I've really not liked the addition of are excogitation and recitation. I mean in the way of play/fun/feel

The problem with Dissipation is and always has been this:

1) The list of scholar abilities it affects is minimal.

Scholar is all about using abilities, not necessarily spells and Dissipate doesn't affect them.

2) The healing power and utility lost by losing the fairy isn't made up by the + healing bonus on the player.

[Lethros]

Healing magic up is only one part of the ability. You don't have to use it for that. Accept it for what it is (/was) and work with it in what ever way you can if it's helpful in a moment. It's not a boring high power upfront ability like some others. You redirect power from elsewhere. There are various reasons you could use it. I normally use it for extra aetherflow healing, or MP, in times when things have really gone wrong and it's needed, or at the end of a battle. It lets me use abilities I would otherwise have to wait for because aetherflow is on cooldown, which would be too late. Could save a party and I think probably has lots of times. How's that a bad ability? Of course it could be a rare use if you're always in safe parties with perfect execution in all duties, nothing ever went wrong, and are never in reset danger