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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    At this point "trap" has simply become shorthand for - at least as I've understood it - "deliberately presenting as the opposite gender", usually a male character dressed to look female. I wouldn't see an inherent intent to it besides fooling people into assuming they're the opposite gender. (Which makes it prettymuch cheating to use a Lalafell, but anyway.)

    One of the first things I got asked when I joined an FC was "are you a trap?" (I'm not) and I'm pretty sure they weren't accusing me of anything.
    It has perhaps now but you gotta admit it's far from the best choice of words lol. If I hear "trap" I'm going to assume it's actually, you know, a trap.. someone you will feel attracted to while they aren't actually your preferred gender, they trap you that way. Calling a lalafell a trap makes it seem like the lalafell presents itself that way to trap people their sexual desires towards them. This is strange with how lalafells look like children (show a beardless lalafell to any random person and they will agree).

    I'll give the poster the benefit of the doubt that they didn't mean it that way but they should just apologize and move on. Better to be safe with discouraging anything that comes close to seemingly pedo practices even if it's a misinterpretation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamRF View Post
    I'll give the poster the benefit of the doubt that they didn't mean it that way but they should just apologize and move on.
    As I pointed out before, I don't know a counterpart-term for tomboy (girl with male outfits / behaviour) other than trap (boy with female outfits / behaviour). Blame the English Internet-users for not using anything else to describe what I mean.

    I suppose there's not even a noun in my language which would perfectly describe it; we only use the adjectives "burschikos" (tomboyish) and "mädchenhaft" (girlish).

    Also, in case it's not clear enough so far, I don't use the term trap in an insulting way. I don't even use the German word "Kampflesbe" when I talk about lesbian women who act / dress as guys but say all men are bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MelodyCrystel View Post
    As I pointed out before, I don't know a counterpart-term for tomboy (girl with male outfits / behaviour) other than trap (boy with female outfits / behaviour). Blame the English Internet-users for not using anything else to describe what I mean.

    I suppose there's not even a noun in my language which would perfectly describe it; we only use the adjectives "burschikos" (tomboyish) and "mädchenhaft" (girlish).

    Also, in case it's not clear enough so far, I don't use the term trap in an insulting way. I don't even use the German word "Kampflesbe" when I talk about lesbian women who act / dress as guys but say all men are bad.
    No I'll blame you for not being more careful with which words you're using. It's alright if you make a mistake but own it then instead of excusing it imo. Of course you can do or say what you want but expect to be called out for it if you say something like that.

    It's okay though I never called you in particular a pedo, just said that lalafells may only be a trap for pedos and calling them that way is thus very strange. Even if "trap" isn't necessarily interpreted that way nowadays, it used to not very long ago and many will still recognize that meaning since it makes sense with the literal meaning of a "trap".
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamRF View Post
    No I'll blame you for not being more careful with which words you're using.
    From my point of view, you can blame me as I did something wrong - there's no whitewashing for my mistake, so why should I even try to. I stick to the things I say and know not everyone will like my opinions.

    About the apology-part, I say "I'm sorry." or "I apologise for ..." when I directly hurt somebody's feelings. I'm not the kind of person who wants to display general sorrow just to make sure people aren't going to behead them.
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