So, Mog station here we are

[Razard]

No, I dont because I'm not trying to see things that arent there.

Again: I dont consider "Mundane" an insult per se and this feels a lot more like "Enhance your current experience with this item" - in FFXIV case this item are the fairy robes, in McDonalds case that would, as I explained, the employee saying "Oh, just the cheeseburger then? Are you sure you dont want to get some deliciouse fries and a cool drink with it? I mean, just the cheeseburger is fine, but your experience could go from 'good' to 'fantastic' if you bought this combo!"

Exactly.

My god between seeing evil company Gremlins that are telling you the armor in the game looks mundane out of the Aether and SamRF's Projectionathon in the other thread about this topic. We really have been in lockdown for waaaay too damn long xD.

[Vidu]

I can't anymore with this discussion. I think it's not correct, you can all disagree with me, but I'm going to stay of this opinion.

If you think it's fine for brands to bash their own products in order to sell new stuff then I can't argue with you because we fundamentally don't agree on that kind of business practice beyond this mogstation and SE.

And mundane is an insult. They sold us on this expac where we can be the epic warrior of darkness who saves the world with epic purple shadows and stuff, now apparently all of that was mundane and we need fairy wings.

I'm done.

Mundane is as much an insult as it would be an insult to call a simple cheeseburger "plain" - in both cases it might be something that people actually like.

They also never say that everything but this robes is "mundane" - I'm logged in as my crafter right now and I'm wearing a pretty simple (someone could say "mundane") outfit on purpose because I think it fits those classes best. My weaver would definitly go from mundane to marvelous if I bought and glamoured this outfit. But who is to say that I want that?
This might be going to far but to me it kinda does seem like a general problem if people start thinking about something simple or mundane as something that is bad (which would follow if it was an insult) - I do believe the media and specially advertising are to blame for that, at least in part. Ads might suggest to you that you should strife to be "marvelous" instead of "mundane", but thats something I personally dont agree with... but yeah, that might be going to far right now...

To me there is nothing here suggesting that whoever made this add believes that everything in the game is "mundane" - this is nothing more than flavoury add-language and not unlike a fastfood restaurant telling you "Yeah, our entry burger is good, but... have you heard of the double-cheeseburger with large fries and an ice cold coke before? THATS the life!"

[Eldevern]

Mundane to Marvelous make me think about the Blues Brothers and "Mister Fabulous" and the furry music equipments for his band XD

[Iscah]

"Marvellous" just makes me think of it being said in an overdramatic voice and... I dunno, throwing glitter or something.

Which is prettymuch what this robe is next to my usual everyday-for-a-fantasy-world outfits.

That doesn't make me want to rush out and buy it or dislike what I've already got, though.

[Avidria]

I can't anymore with this discussion. I think it's not correct, you can all disagree with me, but I'm going to stay of this opinion.

If you think it's fine for brands to bash their own products in order to sell new stuff then I can't argue with you because we fundamentally don't agree on that kind of business practice beyond this mogstation and SE.

And mundane is an insult. They sold us on this expac where we can be the epic warrior of darkness who saves the world with epic purple shadows and stuff, now apparently all of that was mundane and we need fairy wings.

I'm done.

Where did they bash their own products? I don't see them doing that anywhere.

Not to meme but dude, it's not that deep.

[Lambdafish]

So has anyone mentioned the other ways in which this outfit could have been implemented in 5.2? It could have been a crafting item using a new item gotten from bicolor gemstones. What concerns me isn't paying for the item, if people want to buy it fair enough, my issue is that we have a cash shop in a paid MMO AND the game has a serious reward problem. We have relics that can be completed in an hour, seasonal events that just give you rewards rather than playing a game, Ocean Fishing which has very little reason to do at 80, beast tribes that are worthless at 80, gear is handed out like candy, and crafting/gathering no longer has a serious endgame.

SE doesn't seem to have a clear goal on the purpose of rewards, players aren't challenged in the slightest, and doing something like this only adds fuel to that fire.

[Vidu]

So has anyone mentioned the other ways in which this outfit could have been implemented in 5.2? It could have been a crafting item using a new item gotten from bicolor gemstones. What concerns me isn't paying for the item, if people want to buy it fair enough, my issue is that we have a cash shop in a paid MMO AND the game has a serious reward problem. We have relics that can be completed in an hour, seasonal events that just give you rewards rather than playing a game, Ocean Fishing which has very little reason to do at 80, beast tribes that are worthless at 80, gear is handed out like candy, and crafting/gathering no longer has a serious endgame.

SE doesn't seem to have a clear goal on the purpose of rewards, players aren't challenged in the slightest, and doing something like this only adds fuel to that fire.

What you're describing sounds more like you feel that there are to many rewards for to little effort...? So adding this outifit as an ingame reward for something like crafting, FATEs or beast tribe dailies would only be another reward put into the game for very little effort.

You also make a common mistake, which is assuming that there was ever a question of wether this outfit would go into the mogstation or into the game itself - when in reality the question was more like "Do we make this outfit or not". The mogstation-items arent something we would have gotten ingame if it werent for the mogstation - its items we wouldnt have gotten at all. Someone here argued earlier that they would have prefered it if these items didnt exist in the first place if our two options are "mogstation or not at all" and thats certainly a stance you can take. But its pointless to argue that this would have been just in the game - because it wouldnt have been made in the first place.

[Edax]

Where did they bash their own products? I don't see them doing that anywhere.

Not to meme but dude, it's not that deep.

When SE emailed the Warrior of Darkness and called them dull.

mun·dane
/ˌmənˈdān/

adjective
1.
lacking interest or excitement; dull.

...thats... thats how advertising works. They're trying to seel you something

From my experience as a Graphic Designer, using insults or derogatory terms in the taglines when referring to the potential customer is a no-no. Simply having the tagline say "Be Marvelous" would have been sufficient since that would be a wholly positive message while also having a similar call to action.

[Melichoir]

When SE emailed the Warrior of Darkness and called them dull.

mun·dane
/ˌmənˈdān/

adjective
1.
lacking interest or excitement; dull.

For funsies:

mundane - adjective

mun·​dane | \ ˌmən-ˈdān , ˈmən-ˌdān \
Definition of mundane
1: of, relating to, or characteristic of the world
2: characterized by the practical, transitory, and ordinary : COMMONPLACE
the mundane concerns of day-to-day life

Could also mean common place or ordinary too, which I think is part of the context here. Though to be frank, I think this is getting a bit absurd. Theyre just trying to be like "Spice up your wardrobe" as a marketing thing, Soooo yeah.

[Avidria]

When SE emailed the Warrior of Darkness and called them dull.

mun·dane
/ˌmənˈdān/

adjective
1.
lacking interest or excitement; dull.



From my experience as a Graphic Designer, using insults or derogatory terms in the taglines when referring to the potential customer is a no-no. Simply having the tagline say "Be Marvelous" would have been sufficient since that would be a wholly positive message while also having a similar call to action.

I know the definition of mundane, thanks. I don't see a makeup ad style catchphrase as a knock on every single one of the hundreds of pieces of gear in this game though. That's seriously one heck of a stretch.

For funsies:

mundane - adjective

mun·​dane | \ ˌmən-ˈdān , ˈmən-ˌdān \
Definition of mundane
1: of, relating to, or characteristic of the world
2: characterized by the practical, transitory, and ordinary : COMMONPLACE
the mundane concerns of day-to-day life

Could also mean common place or ordinary too, which I think is part of the context here. Though to be frank, I think this is getting a bit absurd. Theyre just trying to be like "Spice up your wardrobe" as a marketing thing, Soooo yeah.

All of this.

...anyway this is a silly argument. To be frank, there are plenty of dull and ugly outfits both in game and on the mog station. I don't even think this dress looks all that great as anything but maybe a faerie princess cosplay item for like, an rp event on my character. Whether their ad quality is great or not doesn't matter, I seriously doubt their intent was to say "our glams suck, buy this one cause it doesn't."