So, Mog station here we are

[Reinha]

Is that what you're telling me? Really?

I think you need to work on your reading comprehension because I have, in fact, never said that. The players who "skipped tooltips, didn't know how to aoe, or hold hate, or heal, or dps" should be forced to suffer slow and painful low level dungeons and player feedback all the way until 70, so the change that they are bad at levels 70-80 is smaller. Bad players just exist or don't exist in your black and white thinking but I also care about the rate at which they exist, especially at higher levels.

[Canada_bangs]

I think you need to work on your reading comprehension because I have, in fact, never said that. The players who "skipped tooltips, didn't know how to aoe, or hold hate, or heal, or dps" should be forced to suffer slow and painful low level dungeons and player feedback all the way until 70, so the change that they are bad at levels 70-80 is smaller. Bad players just exist or don't exist in your black and white thinking but I also care about the rate at which they exist, especially at higher levels.

The point went over your head it seems.. so I'll explain it slow. Jump potions most likely have very little to no effect on bad players. Since the issues people blame the pots for existed long before they were here. matter of fact someone replied to me earlier confirming just that. I think you and other people need to stop instantly throwing shade at things you don't like acting like it causes all these problems when these problems were here long before said item. Hell are you mad at exp boosts on servers and how fast routs gives you exp? Or deep dungeons? Cause they do the same thing as jump potions do. Yet your first offense was to throw shade at the pots? That's why I replied. If you're going to throw shade at the pots, throw it at the game too since the game doesn't do anything to teach you either. You can coast by and be just as stupid as a jumper. I'm willing to bet most people who jump aren't even new players but vets who have alts.

[Reinha]

If you're going to throw shade at the pots, throw it at the game too since the game doesn't do anything to teach you either.

I do. This thread is about the Mog Station.

Jump potions most likely have very little to no effect on bad players.

It has the effect that a bad player can more easily get into level 70+ content where they don't belong. Less options to bypass learning is better than more options.

[Canada_bangs]

I do. This thread is about the Mog Station.



It has the effect that a bad player can more easily get into level 70+ content where they don't belong. Less options to bypass learning is better than more options.

Your point is a nonissue since that's been the case since HW at least. Point being you will never stop players from being bad. Because no matter what the issue is with that player being lazy. buying the pot isn't making them lazy, they were already lazy to begin with. And if the pot wasn't there we still have literally tons of things in the game to rush them to endgame without a clue. If you want to be mad at anyone be mad at your fellow gamers who just carry people in all of the leveling dungeons. The jump potions are like the least offensive thing ever. Mostly because you have to buy them. Deep dungeon, all the exp boost and whatnot are just flat out in the game.

I'm just going to say the Tales of the Dutyfinder thread proves my point. As the issues you're pinning on jump potions were issues players had in the game since the beginning, before jump potions, exp boost, deep dungeons and whatever. Your issue with those pots isn't a mogstation issue.. it's a people issue.

[Reinha]

Point being you will never stop players from being bad. Because no matter what the issue is with that player being lazy.

False. You can stop players from being bad. That healer whom I told that Regen works great against a poison debuff you can't remove in Aurum Vale, is now a better healer because they were leveling instead of buying boosts. The arcanist to whom I explained how DoT potency works is no longer only casting Ruin. They didn't do their research but they also didn't skip 70 levels worth of player tips by boosting themselves and so they got better. Where is this insane notion that no one learns anything whilst leveling coming from? Even the devs recognize that players improve when they play the class, because otherwise the jump potions would boost you straight to 80 (which, thankfully, is not the case).

[Canada_bangs]

False. You can stop players from being bad. That healer whom I told that Regen works great against a poison debuff you can't remove in Aurum Vale, is now a better healer because they were leveling instead of buying boosts. The arcanist to whom I explained how DoT potency works is no longer only casting Ruin. They didn't do their research but they also didn't skip 70 levels worth of player tips by boosting themselves and so they got better. Where is this insane notion that no one learns anything whilst leveling coming from? Even the devs recognize that players improve when they play the class, because otherwise the jump potions would boost you straight to 80 (which, thankfully, is not the case).

You're proving my point since I said it's a player issue... not a pot issue. Again.. a player issue. I know people who got pots and out DPS vets who has been playing for years. It's all a people issue.

[Miracle_Diva]

False. You can stop players from being bad. That healer whom I told that Regen works great against a poison debuff you can't remove in Aurum Vale, is now a better healer because they were leveling instead of buying boosts. The arcanist to whom I explained how DoT potency works is no longer only casting Ruin. They didn't do their research but they also didn't skip 70 levels worth of player tips by boosting themselves and so they got better. Where is this insane notion that no one learns anything whilst leveling coming from? Even the devs recognize that players improve when they play the class, because otherwise the jump potions would boost you straight to 80 (which, thankfully, is not the case).

So you're making a point, that players become "better" when they get explained something by another player?
Now said healer might be spamming that regen on everything, even on pre-pull.
You can simply become "better" by reading tooltips yourself. But many people decide not to. And it doesn't matter if they did use level skip or leveled themselves.
You can't stop players from being bad if they decide that they want to play how they want.

[Reinha]

So you're making a point, that players become "better" when they get explained something by another player?

Are you seriously asking how teaching works?

You can't stop players from being bad if they decide that they want to play how they want.

They don't all decide that they want to play how they want. Some decide to accept the help and improve. If they buy a boost, they don't get any help at low levels.

You're proving my point since I said it's a player issue... not a pot issue. Again.. a player issue.

I explained how buying a pot would have prevented a bad player from receiving advice, how is that not a pot issue?

[Bright-Flower]

The point went over your head it seems.. so I'll explain it slow. Jump potions most likely have very little to no effect on bad players. Since the issues people blame the pots for existed long before they were here. matter of fact someone replied to me earlier confirming just that. I think you and other people need to stop instantly throwing shade at things you don't like acting like it causes all these problems when these problems were here long before said item. Hell are you mad at exp boosts on servers and how fast routs gives you exp? Or deep dungeons? Cause they do the same thing as jump potions do. Yet your first offense was to throw shade at the pots? That's why I replied. If you're going to throw shade at the pots, throw it at the game too since the game doesn't do anything to teach you either. You can coast by and be just as stupid as a jumper. I'm willing to bet most people who jump aren't even new players but vets who have alts.

Agreed. There are really two types of players.

Players that will put an honest effort into learning their job and playing it competently.

And people that will be lazy about it and put in minimal effort.

The former use jump potions and take a few minutes to get a grasp of the new job on a training dummy and get their bars in order.

The latter will stay bad because leveling through the game from 1 doesn't actually require you to be good at the job you're leveling.