So, Mog station here we are

[Reinha]

But there is ALREADY P2W option !
- You can hire more retainers, going from 40 selling slots to 120/160. How is this not paying to get more Gils ?
- You can buy your job to lvl 70 without even playing it. Met countless of people who bought that and went tanking without the good stance or keep dpsing instead of healing

These are worse for the game than a bunch of cosmetic items, but whenever anyone tries to speak up against jump potions there are people saying it makes no difference to the game. And how many years have we asked for more storage space now? Somehow it takes too many resources to develop but magically appears when I spend my crysta. But optional outfits are the thing that's ruining the game!

IMO the fairy robe is one of the best Mog Station exclusive outfits. Shimmering pastel purple color (this needs to be a dye), a nice pattern, beautiful wings and neutral looking adveturing pants + boots which can be used in many glamours. I spent some time figuring out which weapons would be a good match and ended up with Fae Grimoire, Elfin Bow, Aymur Anemos, Vanargand Anemos and Omnilex Zenith.

[Canada_bangs]

These are worse for the game than a bunch of cosmetic items, but whenever anyone tries to speak up against jump potions there are people saying it makes no difference to the game. And how many years have we asked for more storage space now? Somehow it takes too many resources to develop but magically appears when I spend my crysta. But optional outfits are the thing that's ruining the game!

IMO the fairy robe is one of the best Mog Station exclusive outfits. Shimmering pastel purple color (this needs to be a dye), a nice pattern, beautiful wings and neutral looking adveturing pants + boots which can be used in many glamours. I spent some time figuring out which weapons would be a good match and ended up with Fae Grimoire, Elfin Bow, Aymur Anemos, Vanargand Anemos and Omnilex Zenith.

It makes no difference to the game because stupid people who didn't know how to play their jobs were a thing before jump potions. So yeah, it literally made no difference.

[Reinha]

It makes no difference to the game because stupid people who didn't know how to play their jobs were a thing before jump potions. So yeah, it literally made no difference.

Aaand a defense for jump potions arrives like clockwork.

Cosmetic items make less of a difference so why are there 20 pages of whining about those and not the services which actually have an impact on the buyer's gameplay?

[JamieRose]

Aaand a defense for jump potions arrives like clockwork.

Cosmetic items make less of a difference so why are there 20 pages of whining about those and not the services which actually have an impact on the buyer's gameplay?

Paying to skip content is an idea so mindbogglingly stupid that I didn't think anyone would actually cough up money for that.

This argument would hold up better if FFXIV had an overabundance of glamour always thrown onto the Mogstation. But it doesn't. In fact, many of the most popular glamour outfits, mounts and minions can all be earned in-game without spending a dime extra. Look no further than the Rebel Coat, Dalmascan top or the Ao Dai. People wore those (and still do) more than a good chunk of the cash shop dresses.

People keep bringing up this extreme scenario, insisting that if we wait long enough, SE will inevitably put everything good on the Mogstation. Six years and counting, they still haven't yet. So either they're extraordinarily patient or they've found a compromise that seemingly works for most players.

Now I get being disappointed you found something you would have preferred earning in-game. But saying it shouldn't exist at all comes across selfish. To spare your own disappointment, you're essentially saying "If I can't get it in-game, then no one should have it at all." I bought that Carbuncle mount the day it came out; two actually since my BFF adored them. So I bought her one as an early Christmas gift. We both got plenty of use out of them, and I don't regret my purchase. Was it overpriced? You could argue that. So is going out to restaurants, ordering take out or having a commission done of your character.

Some people are content spending extra money on luxury things simply because they can. There isn't anything wrong with it.

Bringing that back to video games. Like said, the cost of development has skyrocketed over the years. If micro-transactions didn't exist. We'd be paying a lot more to play those games. I dunno about you but I prefer the option of buying novelty cosmetics once in and while or the sub fee being $25.

This strikes me as the kind of thing someone would say after paying $19 for avocado toast.

[Iscah]

Paying to skip content is an idea so mindbogglingly stupid that I didn't think anyone would actually cough up money for that.

Depends if it gets you where you want to be, I guess? Especially in a subscription game where you have to pay for your gameplay time, too.

You could argue that spending the equivalent on a month's subscription fee on a story skip would instantly get you to a point that would require a month of gameplay to reach. In which case you end up at the same point at the same price if you don't care about the experience you're missing out on along the way.

Personally I jumped my fourth character through ARR because I didn't want to go through those particular hoops again, and also specifically wanted to replay the Crystal Tower storyline in the lead-up to Shadowbringers, but didn't have the time to work through all of ARR first. So I paid for it.

I wouldn't recommend anyone to pay for a skip on their first time through, but it's more understandable for alts.

[Halivel]

Paying to skip content is an idea so mindbogglingly stupid that I didn't think anyone would actually cough up money for that.

It depends, there's a variety of reasons to do so. Every time new players ask me, I always advice not to buy one as it doesn't really give anything, but there are 2 scenarios that can somewhat justify the skip book purchase (in my eyes, anyway):

1. Fast leveling an alt (either for RP reasons or for something else). The player in this case already knows the game, and only cuts the time spent on leveling new character (maybe also saving money they they would spend on sub otherwise)
2. Somebody who came to play with a party of friends and this party awaits them in HE content asap. While I personally wouldn't want to have friends who rushes me on my way, it's still something you can consider as a good reason to take a shorter way.

Wish they would get a new gear designer for some sexy,and stunning glamour (not for all, just some!)...hire from TERA <----a not so subtle HINT HINT

Leave TERA in TERA please, thanks.

[Reinha]

Paying to skip content is an idea so mindbogglingly stupid that I didn't think anyone would actually cough up money for that.

So selling useless things to idiots is harmless, I can agree with that. That still makes me to question why there is a 20 page complaint about cosmetics and not paid retainers, which are not useless. They offer inventory space, market space and ventures which all have an impact on game play, unlike cosmetics. Why is the player base not appalled that basic game features are severely limited without paying more for it but gets mad about paid outfits (which fit the "selling useless things to idiots" description as well)?

[Halivel]

So selling useless things to idiots is harmless, I can agree with that. That still makes me to question why there is a 20 page complaint about cosmetics and not paid retainers, which are not useless. They offer inventory space, market space and ventures which all have an impact on game play, unlike cosmetics. Why is the player base not appalled that basic game features are severely limited without paying more for it but gets mad about paid outfits (which fit the "selling useless things to idiots" description as well)?

Because these 20 pages are mostly 10 people trying to explain to 2 people that selling cosmetics isn't harmful. While in case with sellable retainers most people would brobably agree on the matter, so the threads (there were some) just kind of... sank in that tone of threads with argues. A bit of exaggertaion here, but the idea is clear I think.

Also, until they put the retainer pic right into the launcher, there probably were people who didn't know about the possibility to buy them at all (there still are such people I suppose, considering I do see questions like "How can I hire more retainers?" in novice network).

That said, I still don't find sellable retainers harmful, though it's obvious that it would be better if they were available to obtain in game rather than for money.

[JamieRose]

So selling useless things to idiots is harmless, I can agree with that. That still makes me to question why there is a 20 page complaint about cosmetics and not paid retainers, which are not useless. They offer inventory space, market space and ventures which all have an impact on game play, unlike cosmetics. Why is the player base not appalled that basic game features are severely limited without paying more for it but gets mad about paid outfits (which fit the "selling useless things to idiots" description as well)?

Funny you should ask, because I brought that up way back on page 5 but everyone conveniently failed to notice.

The criticism is completely legitimate and a lot of people feel the same way. I know I do. Squeenix is double dipping and it's a scummy move. Even if you look past that fact, then there's the fact that they're charging exorbitent prices for these pieces on top of that. That's not even getting into the fact that they are literally selling storage sp...sorry, RENTING storage space!



Just because every company is doing it, doesn't make it right. Nor does it make it an accepted practice, because the only people who accept it are marketing suits and whales. Cash shops are anti-consumer, doubly so when you're already paying a monthly fee just to access the game.

Also, when was the last time the Mogstation had a sale on costume pieces or mounts? I haven't seen one sale on those items since I started playing.

[ForteNightshade]

Paying to skip content is an idea so mindbogglingly stupid that I didn't think anyone would actually cough up money for that.

To you. However, I have an alt and zero interest in replaying ARR. I value the time it would take to grind through all those quests more than the $11 it'd cost to skip them. So...

This strikes me as the kind of thing someone would say after paying $19 for avocado toast.

What if it is? I used restaurants as an example for a reason. A lot of people would argue paying $40-50 for a steak is absurd. Just as many wouldn't bat an eyelash. It all comes down to how someone values what they want. You also conveniently ignored where I brought up the cost of game development has skyrocketed yet retail value of games hasn't budged in well over a decade. Companies don't just eat those costs but shift at least a portion onto the customer.