Patch 5.3 will allow Flying Mounts in ARR areas!!!!

[NanaWiloh]

I highly highly doubt they will just move invisible barriers around and call it a day.

Go to Xephatol's entrance in Coerthus Central Highlands, get your camera to look past the gate and take a good hard look at those glorious 2D trees, trees mind you that would be completely see able naturally with flying, I doubt the Dev team would just leave those trees as they currently are.

There are loads of stuff like that in not meant to be seen areas that will easily be seen with flying, looking at you mess in North Shroud XD. If they leave them as they are then wouldn't be too much time and could be possible to hide from Yoshi but if they did any model reworks and such yea no because it would've been passed to a lot of different developers and Yoshi is hands on as evidenced by Lakshmi being changed to her current look (she was originally meant to be older looking heck the devs had to fight to keep the more mature sounding vocalist in the song), would be very hard to slip newish models around especially for 17 zones seriously that would've taken a good amount of 'free time' props if true but I highly doubt it was.

Personally I would've wanted their 'free time' spent on giving female Viera and male Hrothgar more headgear and hairstyles would've been way better received as would've shown they are working on them but apparently adding flight in ARR is more deserving of their time and resources than trying to lessen the limits on the newest races that desperately need some love since basically been abandoned since launch barring the usual 'we're working on it' it is at a point where they need to start showing results to this.

The trees are easily dealt with as they are part of the thousands of place able objects in the game. We would all like to see them doing something else with their free time but its their time to use not ours. The devs that did this likely dont work on player/npc models and free time varies from one department to another. You want more Veira head pieces then the devs you want are the ones that work on Player and npc models not the ones handling world design/builders

[DPZ2]

It's their 'free time' can do whatever they want to do with it but when glaring issues that could've been allieviated with said 'free time' are continously put aside for minor QoL people are going to question said decision.

The teams that deal with flying and zone design are not the same teams that design character models and clothing. The term 'developer' does not imply generalization of skill sets. The art department does not design or code dungeon battles, and those few people who graced us with the upcoming abilities do not design gear sets. Got it?

You can say you don't like it, but you can't demand people spend their free time (whatever that implies in the Real World) on your own pet projects.

[NanaWiloh]

The teams that deal with flying and zone design are not the same teams that design character models and clothing. The term 'developer' does not imply generalization of skill sets. The art department does not design or code dungeon battles, and those few people who graced us with the upcoming abilities do not design gear sets. Got it?

You can say you don't like it, but you can't demand people spend their free time (whatever that implies in the Real World) on your own pet projects.

This is why I just need to give up explaing things someone comes along who does it better. But nope I just keep opening my mouth lol Thank you though.

[Malmstrom]

OK i'mma put it this way.

They decided to make female Viera and male Hrothgar from around 4.1, with me so far, so during their 'free time' from then to now they decided their 'free time' was better spent adding flying to ARR zones with whatever they decided to do with it (whether just moving Barriers to replacing models to suit a flying view) than work on getting as much headgear working for female Viera and male Hrothgar.

And you wonder why people might think this was a bad decision to do?

It's their 'free time' can do whatever they want to do with it but when glaring issues that could've been allieviated with said 'free time' are continously put aside for minor QoL people are going to question said decision.

Vanity items are not "glaring issues". If I /facepalm any harder I'm going to collapse my skull.

[Crushnight]

The teams that deal with flying and zone design are not the same teams that design character models and clothing. The term 'developer' does not imply generalization of skill sets. The art department does not design or code dungeon battles, and those few people who graced us with the upcoming abilities do not design gear sets. Got it?

You can say you don't like it, but you can't demand people spend their free time (whatever that implies in the Real World) on your own pet projects.

Map design deals with 3D modeling, they would be able to sort out headpieces on characters in their 'free time', it just wouldn't be their primary role, just like someone who is a character designer could do work on monster designing or field designing, they have an expertise in a specific field but can definitely apply it to others, a map designer can do model design, which is why I have only compared it to doing headgear for the new races not battle content or anything else because that is very much outta their field of expertise with the most they could do is design how a dungeon looks etc.

If you read that part correctly I say it is their 'free time' I'm not demanding anything it is more along the lines of if I was a teacher at a college and i know someone in my class was just playing cards in their free time I would make the SUGGESTION that their time would be better spent on their work but I can't force them to do it, if they wanna spend that time playing cards that's on them, but I can question if that is a good decision. Same principle here the devs spent their 'free time' I am questioning if that time was well spent and am making a suggestion that I would've prefered it spent elsewhere. Wasn't meant to be a demand for that I apologise for poor choice of words on previous post.

[Crushnight]

Vanity items are not "glaring issues". If I /facepalm any harder I'm going to collapse my skull.

Feel free to collapse i've seen way more people complain about lack of headgear/hairstyles on the new races with this expansion alone than I have seen people complain about no flight in ARR since HW, the community very much cares a lot about vanity items just look at 2B's butt fiasco, bringing the two new races to be on par with every other race is a glaring issue that they say 'we're working on it' but have done absolutely no showing the fact stuff that gets released this expansion is a would I or would I not be able to wear new X gear is a problem.

[Elladie]

Do you think making flying available in the ARR zones just entails moving invisible barriers? Do you really think it is that easy? HW, SB, and ShB had their zones designed with the intention that mounts can fly there. That is not the case with ARR. They now have to go back to zones that already exist, and modify them. You might also want to take note that invisible barriers are not removed. They will still be in place, just differently to accommodate the changes.

The rest of your statement is why I brought up how allocation works in a previous post (you can't take five eggs from a basket that has only four). This metaphor is to express that no matter how many, or how few resources are allocated, that is the exact number that is not working on relevant content. No matter how much or how little time was spent on its development is the exact amount of time not spent on relevant content.

I am not sure I can make it any more clear than that. Questionable decisions like this one are very concerning.

The facts seem to point to them doing this in order to improve new player retention.

Possibly we have lost content like Deep Dungeon this expansion because of it, but that doesn't make it pointless or questionable. Retaining new players is important, and obviously someone, somewhere in the chain of command, has decided it's more important than a new Deep Dungeon at this juncture.

I'm currently choosing to assume they know what they're doing; if the future proves otherwise, fair enough, but complaining because improving the new player experience (most people leave during 2.1 so being able to fly - alongside the quest trimming etc - should significantly help) means less content for you is rather selfish and not what I'd expect from you, given your usual thoughtful posts

[Schan]

This thread... I can't even.

Are people actually sitting in their chairs and judging what the devs do with their free time? Because it's not what they want them to do? Who are you to dictate what a human being does on their free time? Do you want your boss to turn out at your doorstep on you day off to tell you how to spend your time?

Imagine if that was someone's boss doing that. Oh boy that's not a good outlook on that boss now is it. if bosses can get away with behaving like that they will work you to death for the sake of profit. It's totally unacceptable for a boss to do that but now it's fine for a customer to do that? Because that's literally what some of you are doing right now. Look at yourselves. Listen at what you're saying. Think at what you are implying with your words.

"your free time is not meant to be used to relax and recover so you can tackle the task that will come next. No! it's meant to be used to continue working on stuff I want."

OK i'mma put it this way.

They decided to make female Viera and male Hrothgar from around 4.1, with me so far, so during their 'free time' from then to now they decided their 'free time' was better spent adding flying to ARR zones with whatever they decided to do with it (whether just moving Barriers to replacing models to suit a flying view) than work on getting as much headgear working for female Viera and male Hrothgar.

And you wonder why people might think this was a bad decision to do?

It's their 'free time' can do whatever they want to do with it but when glaring issues that could've been allieviated with said 'free time' are continously put aside for minor QoL people are going to question said decision.

Imma put it this way as well

The community has brought up flying in ARR ever since flying was added in Heavensward. Heavensward came out in June 2015 unless my memory fails me. That means anywhere between then and now they could've started working on it.
Even vetereans admit that ARR is the weakest portion of this game. It's nothing new that people quit during ARR. A game to keep being succesful need to cater to new players, veterans, raiders, casuals, grinders alike. Yeah new players are also a group to be catered to. Especially if you don't want the game to die down. Shoker.

It's humanly impossible to cater to everyone at the same time hence patches sometimes cater to one crowd, then another. It's never perfectly balanced and sometimes some group will feel like they are being left behind. It sucks when your group doesn't get catered to. I can understand that.

Considering you think the same dev team should be able to add more hairstyles and heagears to your beloved Hrothgar let's roll with that shall we?

Updating the whole 19 maps will require work. It will take time. Imagine they started before the new races dropped. Then they realized the massive backslash because of no headgears.
That means they would've stopped updating the maps to work on adding some headgears. Also on their free time.

Did you forget that you even got anything because they also did it on their free time?

Regarding you saying that you would suggest the kid to do something else other than playing cards as a teacher... for you to even suggest you had to even know the kid was playing cards on its time off. Also it shoudn't be any of your business unless the kid is at risk of hurting himself or others (and then there's the debate that card games are actually good for socializing, improving maths and having to plan ahead. Very much like chess but chess doesn't get as much of a bad rep as card games for some reason.)

@Gemina
I'm reiterating what Elladie has said. Word by word.

In the end i guess you're right. I too question the usage of their free time. They should be relaxing instead of going the extra mile for us because what this thread is showing is that we are a bunch of entitled, whiny, judgy people and sure as Thal's balls we don't deserve it.

[Waaltar]

I think people who say it's a waste of time are missing that it likely means that the next expansion will feature some areas connected to/on top of/under/expanding/etc ARR areas, thus the need to update the ARR areas to be ready.

All over the ARR map are some cool areas you can see but can't get to, or they're a dungeon at most. The floating city was even the basis of the new Gold Saucer "Leap of Faith" course. Really there's a lot of cool ideas they could do. Gobbie underground! There are closed doors to nowhere here and there etc.

Rather than emptying out the countryside, it seems like part of the idea is that they want to make more use of it.

[MsQi]

I think people who say it's a waste of time are missing that it likely means that the next expansion will feature some areas connected to/on top of/under/expanding/etc ARR areas, thus the need to update the ARR areas to be ready.

All over the ARR map are some cool areas you can see but can't get to, or they're a dungeon at most. The floating city was even the basis of the new Gold Saucer "Leap of Faith" course. Really there's a lot of cool ideas they could do. Gobbie underground! There are closed doors to nowhere here and there etc.

Rather than emptying out the countryside, it seems like part of the idea is that they want to make more use of it.

That would be nice, but I don't see how it's "likely". Adding stuff like that would require yet another reworking of the maps, and this one was done as volunteer work. I don't recall any time they have gone back to add to maps on the clock. It would be nice to just be able to land on many of the high places in the current expansion maps.

I'm not against it, and I don't think they're waisting their time. Flying for flying sake just doesn't excite me. Adding stuff like this would.