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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    yeah.. thats not what i meant. but nice try.

    Its super easy to generalize about things. See, what I meant was "we pull hate off BAD tanks all the time." You took that to mean, any and all tanks.
    Well I mean, if you didn't mean stragglers then the only other options are: a) tanks with gear several levels below minimum(in which case - why should that matter?), b) tanks who legit stand AFK in front of the boss(again - why should those matter?), or c) you're just lying.

    Stragglers were the only reasonable option, unless you're suggesting that people should be able to tank successfully by being afk just so you can never be inconvenienced, because any sort of crap rotation will hold aggro when in tank stance.

    I guess next logical step is to remove player hp bars, because healers might not heal you and cause you to die.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Thats why we have this lowest common denominator thing, where enmity isn't really a thing anymore. I can't count how many times I'd use all of my enmity dumps and STILL have hate. I'm glad I don't have to worry about that any more.
    But if you're somehow still "ripping hate" and you don't want that, then how is it good that you no longer have tools to dump it? If it still happens then you still have to worry about it, if anything even more so, because you no longer have any ability to make up for those "lowest common denominator" tanks you supposedly encounter.
    Nothing you say makes any sense really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Satarn View Post
    Well I mean, if you didn't mean stragglers then the only other options are: a) tanks with gear several levels below minimum(in which case - why should that matter?), b) tanks who legit stand AFK in front of the boss(again - why should those matter?), or c) you're just lying.

    Stragglers were the only reasonable option, unless you're suggesting that people should be able to tank successfully by being afk just so you can never be inconvenienced, because any sort of crap rotation will hold aggro when in tank stance.

    I guess next logical step is to remove player hp bars, because healers might not heal you and cause you to die.



    But if you're somehow still "ripping hate" and you don't want that, then how is it good that you no longer have tools to dump it? If it still happens then you still have to worry about it, if anything even more so, because you no longer have any ability to make up for those "lowest common denominator" tanks you supposedly encounter.
    Nothing you say makes any sense really.
    *sigh.... *

    Tank pulls mobs. Tanks does a couple AoEs. Tank does single target. Geared dps does AoEs. Geared dps rips hate cuz tank is doing single target.

    Or tank is in base max level gear in expert roulette. Tank does poor single target rotation. Gear dps who know what they are doing can and will pull hate sometimes.


    I feel like you are being intentionally obtuse.
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    Last edited by Valkyrie_Lenneth; 04-27-2020 at 11:40 PM.