Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[SturmChurro]

(Hell, I think I've only seen 1 person whine about Viera not having looong skinny claw hands ... cause it's not a pretty feature

Claw hands? So limited hand items, and animation issues? Please nobody bring up the sweet potato feet either - that would be limited foot gear too. So no headgear, handgear, or footwear.

[EtherRose]

Well, In the end when they finally release male Viera, all this won't matter. Why? Because all that complaining and whining will still carry on. Even if they do release male Viera there will still be people that will find something to complain about them. Like the race isn't exactly how they imagined them to be or something is wrong with the lore and this and that. That's all all i see within this community. They finally get something they wanted and yet, it's not good enough. I think part of this community is highly spoiled.

On a side note i'm still wondering what female Hrothgar is going to look like.

[DBriggs304]

Regardless if they are ever in game, they will be a silly addition. The girl bunnies are bad enough.

[Schwarzwind]

This whole discussion reminds me so much of the old FFXIV 1.0 forums. Newer players probably won't know but in the original FFXIV female Highlander, female Roegadyn and male Miqo'te were not a playable option and there were no NPC models of those races in the game either (except for Merlwyb), which is why Minfilia for example looks like a Midlander even though she is a Highlander woman. We had the very same discussion and the very same arguments pro and against the missing genders back than as we do have now with male Viera and female Hrothgar. It is kind of funny how everything repeats itself.

There were even lore reasons why those races were genderlocked! And look at FFXIV today. The lore has not changed much and yet we do have those missing genders and the lore was not butchered either. But one thing I am sure about: Had we not supported those missing genders, we would not have gotten them in the 2.0 release of FFXIV. Keep up the support!

Also, because the Ivalice Raid was mentioned in one of the posts before, Fran and the Viera they talk about in this raid are only adaptions of the original. The lore of FF12 is therefore not the same as in FF14 and may be changed however the FF14 authors like.

[wereotter]

On a side note i'm still wondering what female Hrothgar is going to look like.

Assuming they go off their base ronso model, this is something we already know.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

/But it doesn't mean they need to explain why exactly they are playable. Player's character background is something what is determined by player, not devteam.

Im not talking about a Player Characters background, Im talking about the Viera's background. If their Lore is updated and expanded, then it automatically validates their existence away from the forest. Instead of this Lazy 'Lol they are Warrior of Light, it doesn't matter' Your Avatars story is one thing, but Id like a Race and a Worlds lore expanded which gives validation to every other Male Viera we will see running around that in YOUR point of view as the Main character, are not another Warrior of Light.
The game recognizes every other Avatar running around as an Adventurer, Why Not make is so there are clearly other Male Viera running around as adventurers, instead of this lazy 'One rule to the exception' which is broken and inconstitent the second we see another Male Viera?

I keep getting the argument about 'I am the Warrior of light so Im the exception', or how 'ther races unrelated to the Viera do This/That. How this is MY character therefor I write his story. This is FFXIV not FFXII (like this is an argument either way) But Im not getting any sound argument about why we can't expand the Viera Lore and the Worlds Lore to just include them as a whole.

Meanwhile, I find it weird how much you're into arguing about possible lore yet ignore the relatively logical reason for wood-leaving I wrote before.

Is it too boring for you when rabbit-boys would roam the world as a result to their forest being destroyed / lumbered by Garleans or whoever?

When did I say that wouldn't be a decent-enough reason? I never disagreed with you. I went back and saw your post, but I never saw a response from me dismissing it.
Unlike the handful of responses I got dismissing expanding lore.

your ideas are not so much being shot down its more so just being questioned
like people are not gonna be against it but its not required.

Well duh its not required, as Ive stated a good number of times, it would just be nice to expand the lore as a whole and add to the race. Instead of being lazy and just Plopping them in there. To people who just want a dressup doll it wont matter. But to those that are invested in the worlds and universes they play in, its something nice, and shows care fromthe company/devs that made it to begin with.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Assuming they go off their base ronso model, this is something we already know.

This isn't official art. This is Fanart. Thats suppose to be Kimahri Genderbent.
And, as good as it looks, I hope thats not the face we get. I hope we get a Full-blown Feline Muzzle. And Im pulling for the FemRoe BodyType since we got the Male Roe Bodytype for the males.

[VirusOnline]

Im not talking about a Player Characters background, Im talking about the Viera's background. If their Lore is updated and expanded, then it automatically validates their existence away from the forest. Instead of this Lazy 'Lol they are Warrior of Light, it doesn't matter' Your Avatars story is one thing, but Id like a Race and a Worlds lore expanded which gives validation to every other Male Viera we will see running around that in YOUR point of view as the Main character, are not another Warrior of Light.
The game recognizes every other Avatar running around as an Adventurer, Why Not make is so there are clearly other Male Viera running around as adventurers, instead of this lazy 'One rule to the exception' which is broken and inconstitent the second we see another Male Viera?

I keep getting the argument about 'I am the Warrior of light so Im the exception', or how 'ther races unrelated to the Viera do This/That. How this is MY character therefor I write his story. This is FFXIV not FFXII (like this is an argument either way) But Im not getting any sound argument about why we can't expand the Viera Lore and the Worlds Lore to just include them as a whole.

It's not necessary to do so. Whether they do or not add lore (which I honestly don't care either way), people understand the role of WoL and how a WoL comes about.

It sounds to me that lore is important, particularly for you, to be able to make sense of a fictional world which to be quite honest is now no longer based solely upon lore. Now, no one is saying you can't or you must not or never add expanded lore. What I hear is that it's not necessary. This doesn't imply unwillingness. But you see, lore is broken everywhere in this game. The developers don't follow it with exactness. Therefore players see that there is leeway and quite often acts of lorebreaking. So forcing it upon male viera only because "male" viera ? It becomes like a quadruple standard. It's why male miqo are often brought up. If we impose such strictness upon male viera in order for the world to work, then we must go back and explain everything else as well, because it doesn't make sense to slam the hammer one one crack in the world and deem it fixed while many other remain.

Luckily this is a fantasy world, and one in danger. What is nice about the real world and fantasy worlds is that nature or tradition is not an absolute paradox.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

It's not necessary to do so. Whether they do or not add lore (which I honestly don't care either way), people understand the role of WoL and how a WoL comes about.

It sounds to me that lore is important, particularly for you, to be able to make sense of a fictional world which to be quite honest is now no longer based solely upon lore. Now, no one is saying you can't or you must not or never add expanded lore. What I hear is that it's not necessary. This doesn't imply unwillingness. But you see, lore is broken everywhere in this game. The developers don't follow it with exactness. Therefore players see that there is leeway and quite often acts of lorebreaking. So forcing it upon male viera only because "male" viera ? It becomes like a quadruple standard. It's why male miqo are often brought up. If we impose such strictness upon male viera in order for the world to work, then we must go back and explain everything else as well, because it doesn't make sense to slam the hammer one one crack in the world and deem it fixed while many other remain.

Luckily this is a fantasy world, and one in danger. What is nice about the real world and fantasy worlds is that nature or tradition is not an absolute paradox.

You do realize that lore is important to more people then me right? Just because they arn't here rambling on the XIV forums doesn't mean they don't exist.
And again, the reason I even bring such attention to the Viera, is because they existed outside of this game; before it in fact. And them being added to XIV is cool and neat, but I still think their lore should be respected enough, that if adapted to an MMO, should at least be expanded on while respecting at least some of the original lore.

Its not creating a restriction to write in a reason for the Viera Males to leave the Forest and go against their laws to join the fight and go adventuring. If anything, it makes them more interesting, because after so long being hidden from most of the world, they finally come out. Thats as big a deal as people advocating so strongly for Male Viera

[reivaxe]

Claw hands? So limited hand items, and animation issues? Please nobody bring up the sweet potato feet either - that would be limited foot gear too. So no headgear, handgear, or footwear.

Wut are you talking about?

Viera signature feet are a racial gear, Hrothgar Claws are a racial gear ... when not using race gear they both have normal feet and hands. If FF14 Viera were 100% accurate to the race they would have proportionately larger hands (and that alone wouldn't limit hand gear lol ). That isn't exactly a pretty feature which was my point, people by large don't care about getting a 100% lore accurate Viera, they just want a pretty bunny doll to play with which is why no one cares that they don't have the long ugly hands but they DO and HAVE whined about them having other features that the race is known for (being tall for example).