Is Summoner currently fun to play?

[ty_taurus]

@ty_taurus That's true, its parts don't feel like they belong together anymore and if you don't spend much time with it it can be kinda overwhelming, but since there isn't any variation it kinda needs a lot to stay interesting for a while methinks (I enjoyed the ogcd weaving hell lol). It's probably not the best job to only play once in a while. It is a whole hell of a lot more forgiving than it used to be though.

I think the job just needs to be cleaned up from bottom up. Both Summoner and Scholar always feel like the Devs just kinda throw more things on top without spending a lot of time cleaning up what's underneath. Like Physick... Why is it just there? Like We don't need Vercure, but can't we just have it upgrade into literally anything else rather than it just sit there? I'd be fine with Aetherpact replacing it even. It just feels very disorganized for it to sit around.

[Tulzscha]

I think the job just needs to be cleaned up from bottom up. Both Summoner and Scholar always feel like the Devs just kinda throw more things on top without spending a lot of time cleaning up what's underneath. Like Physick... Why is it just there? Like We don't need Vercure, but can't we just have it upgrade into literally anything else rather than it just sit there? I'd be fine with Aetherpact replacing it even. It just feels very disorganized for it to sit around.

Yeah I know what you mean. They've done a little cleaning but I get the feeling they don't want to tear it apart all at once. It could be that they want to get rid of Aetherflow so first they detach it from DWT then remove it later so it's not as jarring for the players or as much work to rebalance, or they like it but aren't sure what to do with it because the new Phoenix is super awesome but having all this stuff connected is just too damn much, idk. Can only guess. All I know is it's mostly gotten better over time and hopefully that trend continues.

Was Physick ever useful? Maybe for healing pets before they were immune? Such a silly ability. I spam it when there's nothing to attack and it's just lol. Like some over-eager kid trying to help their parents but not actually helping and kinda just getting in the way. "Look ma look at me I'm halping look look!!" x.x

[ty_taurus]

Yeah I know what you mean. They've done a little cleaning but I get the feeling they don't want to tear it apart all at once. It could be that they want to get rid of Aetherflow so first they detach it from DWT then remove it later so it's not as jarring for the players or as much work to rebalance, or they like it but aren't sure what to do with it because the new Phoenix is super awesome but having all this stuff connected is just too damn much, idk. Can only guess. All I know is it's mostly gotten better over time and hopefully that trend continues.

Was Physick ever useful? Maybe for healing pets before they were immune? Such a silly ability. I spam it when there's nothing to attack and it's just lol. Like some over-eager kid trying to help their parents but not actually helping and kinda just getting in the way. "Look ma look at me I'm halping look look!!" x.x

From 1-49, caster gear grants you Intelligence and Mind regardless of role, so for a while it was useful. Once Casters drop Mind, though, Physick heals less than auto-attacks. Also I don't necessarily mean throw everything out and start fresh when I say clean it from the bottom up. If it were me, I'd start by identifying Summoner's current core, which I would say is the Demi-Primals and try to rebuild around that in some ways, adding elements that blend nicely with it and cutting out whatever feels completely irrelevant. Then fill in the blanks. The DoT's and Tri-Disaster, I think, make for good filler actions to give you something to do while your cool downs are all burned, even if that doesn't make up a ton of time currently, and Tri-Disaster is still loosely connected thanks to the CD reset when going into trance.