Shadowbringers starting to feel like a budget expansion

[Fynlar]

That's if SQEX continues with the whole project. I'm not too sure how many people are going to want to continue to purchase the next installments since the end of this one turned FF7 into kingdom hearts with time travel BS and basically unhooked the current game's timeline from what the original was supposed to be.

While the plot is surely controversial to some, I've seen no indication that this game is doing poorly, nor any indication that they're going to can the remaining installments.

[frostmagemari]

While the plot is surely controversial to some, I've seen no indication that this game is doing poorly, nor any indication that they're going to can the remaining installments.

Which is why i posed the question at the end and then say that only time will tell(that you didn't bother quoting); and yes, it is doing well because (right now) many people are buying the "Final Fantasy 7 Remake" because that's that they think it is, a remake. Once they play the game, they will know it is NOT a remake, but rather a kingdom hearts'esque sequel that seeks to change the story that they thought was being remade; And only on the second game will we know how people actually feel about the bait and switch.

[Fynlar]

The point was that, right now, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that whatever resources were diverted from this game to FF7R (if any) are going to be brought back any time soon.

I didn't quote the rest of your post because it didn't matter. Part 2 is already in development, ergo work on FF7R is continuing, regardless of however the more vocal/disgruntled people might feel about part 1, or whatever the projected future sales of part 2 end up being.

many people are buying the "Final Fantasy 7 Remake" because that's that they think it is, a remake. Once they play the game, they will know it is NOT a remake, but rather a kingdom hearts'esque sequel that seeks to change the story that they thought was being remade;

The name isn't inaccurate, just misleading. The "remake" in the title refers to the original events being altered/"remade", not that it's just a prettier rehash of the same game/events we've played already.

Frankly, I think it was quite clever of them. It certainly subverted expectations if nothing else, and I never gave much of a crap about the original FF7 anyway.

[EaMett]

The point was that, right now, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that whatever resources were diverted from this game to FF7R (if any) are going to be brought back any time soon.

Really depends on how you define ressources. Developers? Hard to tell. Money? Of course, that's how companies work. A chunk of the earnings from FF14 goes into feeding other projects. There isn't anything inherently wrong with that, and I def don't think that's why we got gendered races or anything.
Now the fact we're getting reskinned and rehashed assets over and over, moreso than we have in the past. The fact we don't have any extra asserts for things that were expected (primal/savage weapons, etc. etc.). Is definitely going to raise some eyebrows. Especially when SE communicates to us that FF14 is doing better than ever.

[frostmagemari]

The point was that, right now, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that whatever resources were diverted from this game to FF7R (if any) are going to be brought back any time soon.

I didn't quote the rest of your post because it didn't matter. Part 2 is already in development, ergo work on FF7R is continuing, regardless of however the more vocal/disgruntled people might feel about part 1, or whatever the projected future sales of part 2 end up being.

Sure, it doesn't matter to quote the entirety of something if you're going to be dishonest.
The point wasn't that SQEX was going to stop production of FF7: (not a) Remake part 2, but how the audience will react to part 2 and if they will support it as they were supporting what they thought part 1 was going to be.

The name isn't inaccurate, just misleading. The "remake" in the title refers to the original events being altered/"remade", not that it's just a prettier rehash of the same game/events we've played already.
Frankly, I think it was quite clever of them. It certainly subverted expectations if nothing else, and I never gave much of a crap about the original FF7 anyway.

Actually, it is inaccurate; in fact, as what the term remake actually means, its almost an outright lie.
A remake is a production of a film, television series, video game, or similar form of entertainment that is based upon an earlier production. A remake tells the same story as the original but uses a different cast of actors and may alter the theme or target audience.
This is not what the FF7 Remake is. The game makes fundamental plot changes, which creates an entirely new story because of those plot changes. At best, this could be called a reboot; but it's more accurately called a sequel.

[Fynlar]

Sure, it doesn't matter to quote the entirety of something if you're going to be dishonest.
The point wasn't that SQEX was going to stop production of FF7: (not a) Remake part 2, but how the audience will react to part 2 and if they will support it as they were supporting what they thought part 1 was going to be.

The very first thing you said in response to me:
"That's if SQEX continues with the whole project."

As in, directly insinuating that they might not continue production with FF7R. Which I've already addressed (they are).

So yes, that very much was "the point". Who's being dishonest here, again?

Actually, it is inaccurate; in fact, as what the term remake actually means, its almost an outright lie.
A remake is a production of a film, television series, video game, or similar form of entertainment that is based upon an earlier production. A remake tells the same story as the original but uses a different cast of actors and may alter the theme or target audience.
This is not what the FF7 Remake is. The game makes fundamental plot changes, which creates an entirely new story because of those plot changes. At best, this could be called a reboot; but it's more accurately called a sequel.

I can tell wordplay also isn't your strong suit.

In any case, your definition of remake is only one possible definition of it, and although that might have been the one nearly everyone was expecting, SE (or any developer of any form of media) by no means had to play along with it. There are supposed to be "fundamental plot changes" and a new story because that's the whole damn point; the events we knew from the previous game are being literally remade. It was a very intentional naming choice.

It's perfectly fine to say that they misled their audience, or that you didn't like the changes. A whole bunch of people are getting angry on the internet about it. But it still doesn't make the name they used inaccurate or otherwise incorrect. Just because they did not use "remake" in the way you were expecting does not mean that they used the word wrong. Did you get upset at The Neverending Story because it did, in fact, have an ending?

[CazzT]

It's their polite form of f... off, game is perfect, take your criticism and go play another MMO, because talking about negative side of game is taboo

This is so beyond wrong. When people start to approach the "burn out" point, small issues, and issues you would normally not voice concerns about, start taking on a much larger presence in your view of the game. This goes for any hobby, actually. Telling someone it's OK to take a break is not telling them to "F off". It's polite advice. Sometimes people need to take a break from one hobby so they can take a step back and see the issues they have aren't as big as they appear.

Also, this mentality that the community abhors criticism (worse, labeling it as "negative side of the game"), really isn't as pervasive as you're making it out to be. Of the minority that hold this mentality, they're a fraction of the vocal minority. They hardly exist.

[LittleImp]

This is so beyond wrong. When people start to approach the "burn out" point, small issues, and issues you would normally not voice concerns about, start taking on a much larger presence in your view of the game. This goes for any hobby, actually. Telling someone it's OK to take a break is not telling them to "F off". It's polite advice. Sometimes people need to take a break from one hobby so they can take a step back and see the issues they have aren't as big as they appear.

Also, this mentality that the community abhors criticism (worse, labeling it as "negative side of the game"), really isn't as pervasive as you're making it out to be. Of the minority that hold this mentality, they're a fraction of the vocal minority. They hardly exist.

It's actually INCREDIBLY pervasive. I'm pretty much always passively in the Novice Network watching people chat, and virtually anytime a sprout criticizes something about the game they're literally told to unsub from the game, ESPECIALLY when it comes to the MSQ.

The moderators of the subreddit for this game are also notorious for intentionally suppressing critical discussion of the game.

[zeylos]

It's actually INCREDIBLY pervasive. I'm pretty much always passively in the Novice Network watching people chat, and virtually anytime a sprout criticizes something about the game they're literally told to unsub from the game, ESPECIALLY when it comes to the MSQ.

The moderators of the subreddit for this game are also notorious for intentionally suppressing critical discussion of the game.

imo, when you have to justify content and say why this is good enough, it means the content isnt good enough, I cant understand why so many ppl try to justify things like 1 dungeon or genderlocked races so hard when SE is a massive company who dosent care about much else than money, it isnt like they're an indie dev small company tryign to make a footprint on the gaming landscape

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

imo, when you have to justify content and say why this is good enough, it means the content isnt good enough, I cant understand why so many ppl try to justify things like 1 dungeon or genderlocked races so hard when SE is a massive company who dosent care about much else than money, it isnt like they're an indie dev small company tryign to make a footprint on the gaming landscape

Just because someone explains to you why they think the content was good or why they enjoyed it doesn't equate to the content being good enough. That's completely incoherent logic. If you can't understand something, the problem likely lies with you. There's no "gender locked" races because there wasn't a plan for the opposite gender. I'm tired of that long dead and beaten horse. Get over it. You didn't get what you were never promised. You have LITERALLY zero reason to have expected it, considering the leaks, past interviews, and all other evidence laid out on the table. As for dungeons, what if they have content they're working on that more than makes up for the dungeon issue? You wouldn't know because none of us are privy to that information. SE is a large company, but their funding has to go across several teams, not just XIV. It's like people forget they make other games. That they don't work on JUST Final Fantasy XIV. Much of their funding in recent years has likely been pushed towards Kingdom Hearts III, Final Fantasy VII Remake, and other projects. Stop this stupid "small indie company" argument or meme that you think is clever. It's not. Square Enix is a business, and in the end they will be run like a business. Businesses need money to survive so you can bet that's the first interest. All else is secondary. If you don't like the way it's going, then stop supporting them and consider a different game.