New Relic weapon quest - are we down to 1 hour content already?

[Liam_Harper]

Everyone complained about Eureka, too. That it was a long boring grind. Now lots of people are complaining that this is too short.

I think they've missed entirely why we complained about Eureka.

It wasn't because it was a long grind. It was because it was designed poorly. It had no party level synch so it heavily discouraged grinding mobs with friends. Mob itself grinding was slow, very wearing over time with ff14's rotations and inferior to Fates. We were stripped of mounts, aetherytes were locked off and we were punished for dc'ing or not having a healer nearby to rez. The mobs weren't mechanically challenging, just insanely OP until you reached their level and they suddenly became target dummies. Fates were very messy because the game can't handle 200 people at once and it phased out aoe animations, or even the boss itself. The loot in anemos was inventory clogging. Pagos was painfully slow and the map extremely punishing to navigate and most of the extra rewards set to 0.1% drop.

They put work into making it better for Pyros and Hydatos, they'd just gone overboard with Pagos and needed to tone it down, iron out the bumps and make it more enjoyable and group friendly. So instead they scrapped the entire thing, did a full u-turn and made the complete opposite next expansion. Not what we asked for and nothing like any of the feedback we gave.

[Sesera]

They put work into making it better for Pyros and Hydatos, they'd just gone overboard with Pagos and needed to tone it down, iron out the bumps and make it more enjoyable and group friendly. So instead they scrapped the entire thing, did a full u-turn and made the complete opposite next expansion. Not what we asked for and nothing like any of the feedback we gave.

To be honest the feedback was more "eureka sucks its bad remove it" also we were told we'll get a new eureka like this expansion with a non eureka path for people who disliked it during the 5.2 LL iirc.

[Barraind]

I think they've missed entirely why we complained about Eureka.

It wasn't because it was a long grind. It was because it was designed poorly. It had no party level synch so it heavily discouraged grinding mobs with friends. Mob itself grinding was slow, very wearing over time with ff14's rotations and inferior to Fates. We were stripped of mounts, aetherytes were locked off and we were punished for dc'ing or not having a healer nearby to rez. The mobs weren't mechanically challenging, just insanely OP until you reached their level and they suddenly became target dummies. Fates were very messy because the game can't handle 200 people at once and it phased out aoe animations, or even the boss itself. The loot in anemos was inventory clogging. Pagos was painfully slow and the map extremely punishing to navigate and most of the extra rewards set to 0.1% drop.

They put work into making it better for Pyros and Hydatos, they'd just gone overboard with Pagos and needed to tone it down, iron out the bumps and make it more enjoyable and group friendly. So instead they scrapped the entire thing, did a full u-turn and made the complete opposite next expansion. Not what we asked for and nothing like any of the feedback we gave.

The short of it is that they tried to replicate content from an era of gaming where you were expected to do a LOT of autoattack damage, type in chat during encounters, and press significantly fewer skills inside a game where you're expected to do negligable auto-attack damage and be queueing a button press every single cooldown, and were legitimately shocked when people hated that aspect of it.

Parts of it worked, a lot of it was questionable at best.

I had a lot of fun in Anemos, and some fun in Pyros and Hydatos solo spawning NM's and doing the boss fights, but the 100% uptime requirements in parts were no bueno.

[Deceptus]

I think they've missed entirely why we complained about Eureka.

It wasn't because it was a long grind. It was because it was designed poorly. It had no party level synch so it heavily discouraged grinding mobs with friends. Mob itself grinding was slow, very wearing over time with ff14's rotations and inferior to Fates. We were stripped of mounts, aetherytes were locked off and we were punished for dc'ing or not having a healer nearby to rez. The mobs weren't mechanically challenging, just insanely OP until you reached their level and they suddenly became target dummies. Fates were very messy because the game can't handle 200 people at once and it phased out aoe animations, or even the boss itself. The loot in anemos was inventory clogging. Pagos was painfully slow and the map extremely punishing to navigate and most of the extra rewards set to 0.1% drop.

They put work into making it better for Pyros and Hydatos, they'd just gone overboard with Pagos and needed to tone it down, iron out the bumps and make it more enjoyable and group friendly. So instead they scrapped the entire thing, did a full u-turn and made the complete opposite next expansion. Not what we asked for and nothing like any of the feedback we gave.

Also Pagos was intentionally designed to punish the player base for playing Anemos "wrong".

SE didn't like the FATE Train so they did everything in their power to stop it.
They restricted movement flow by using narrow corridors with densely packed mobs and cliffs you couldn't go around.
They put high level requirements on aetherytes so you couldn't get them right out of the gate.
They made a ridiculous 31 light crystal grind on top of everything else
Pagos only because bearable after 2 rounds of nerfs.

My biggest issue with Eureka? YOU COULDN'T USE THE GEAR YOU OBTAINED FROM IT! Why? Because of the freaking ilvl sync. Here's this 340+ gear with 5 materia slots you CAN'T USE IN EUREKA CONTENT because of a maximum 300 ilvl sync.

[MrThinker]

Also Pagos was intentionally designed to punish the player base for playing Anemos "wrong".

Did they not say that by the time Anemos was released in 4.25, Pagos was already finalized and locked in for 4.35 and they couldn't do anything until after it was released?
So rather than actively punishing players, they just had wildly different expectations on how players would approach the content.

[Delis]

So instead they scrapped the entire thing, did a full u-turn and made the complete opposite next expansion. Not what we asked for and nothing like any of the feedback we gave.

I don't think they scrapped the whole thing. In the live letter Yoshi-p said that the next parts will be more work and that it will include a new field instance and he said this about it. "Please do not think of this as another Eureka, it is influenced by it, but it will be different." So it might be that they made this new area using the feedback. We don't know yet.