Locking dyable artifact gear behind a extreme trial, good idea?

[Mavrias]

Yeah sure the fight itself might not be that hard, but i strongly disagree with the idea of locking dyeable gear behind extreme trials/raids.

The rewards for extreme trials/raids should be somehow in line with what the players who do them specifically aspire to.

Getting better glamour is something that most of the player base aspires to, while only a minority of it is willing to do hardcore content. Hence, locking dyeable gear behind that content is in my opinion a plain bad design choice.

Dyeable gear has been locked behind savage for years, so I'm not sure what your point is.

[Hyperia]

Dyeable gear has been locked behind savage for years, so I'm not sure what your point is.

Yes but that was raid glamor not your basic job gear, this is an unfortunate first.

[thegreatonemal]

Yes but that was raid glamor not your basic job gear, this is an unfortunate first.

It's not a first HW AF gear was locked behind a savage fight.

[wereotter]

It's not a first HW AF gear was locked behind a savage fight.

It was... for like a few weeks....

You could get dyable gear as soon as Void Ark came out. There's nothing at the moment to indicate that dyable artifact gear will be available outside the savage fight this time around.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

It was... for like a few weeks....

You could get dyable gear as soon as Void Ark came out. There's nothing at the moment to indicate that dyable artifact gear will be available outside the savage fight this time around.

Void ark released almost 6 months later.


A bit more than "a few weeks"


Also, the extreme fight is not anywhere close to savage level.

[Melichoir]

....Also, the extreme fight is not anywhere close to savage level.

This sentiment is the one that needs to be stressed. Its not even EX levels of EX. You can literally get a few stacks of vulns and still survive mechanics. What weve been seeing with EX and Savage is that more than 1 stack of vuln can be nearly fatal with Savage and EX content when it's current, yet here it's get 2-3 stacks and still be fine so long as a tank uses reprisal or something. There is only 2 mechanics that will outright wipe your group and theyre very lenient. You can have 5 or 6 deaths and not DPS LB and not even see the enrage if youre a decent group. We're not talking people whove cleared e8s and are ilvl 49X or something. 475-480 gear is more than sufficient to beat this. They even give you a 485 weapon before you even jump in. Literally hand you one.

This is content virtually anyone can do. It seems super hard and complex at a distance, but you get into it and practice, you realize it's not to hard. It's probably more memorization than the average EX, but it is very doable.

[Halivel]

Yes but that was raid glamor not your basic job gear, this is an unfortunate first.

EX Trial is not a first precedent tho. There was a HW AF gear locked behind Savage (hey Pepsiman). They added opportunity to buy upgrading items for Alliance coins later, yes, but at first it was locked behind one of the hardest battles in the game that were present at that time.

[Kraniel]

Dyeable gear has been locked behind savage for years, so I'm not sure what your point is.

My point is that i think it's a bad design choice and they should stop doing it ? I thought my message was pretty clear.

Just because it's been the case for years doesn't mean it's a good idea.
I think it's one thing to lock a specific set of gear behind hardcore content, but locking the "dye" option behind it is just unfair for casual players in my opinion. You give them the exact same armor, but they can't dye it ? I mean, come on, this should not be a thing. I understand that SE don't have the time to come up with new sets for each hardcore content, but still they should look into other options.

And like i said in another thread, i love the Eden's Verse Gate armor, but just as i was ready to start savage, 5.2 came out, and now it's a real pain for me to find people to grind it.
So even for players who enjoy savage content like myself, this can be annoying.

[Mavrias]

My point is that i think it's a bad design choice and they should stop doing it ? I thought my message was pretty clear.

Just because it's been the case for years doesn't mean it's a good idea.
I think it's one thing to lock a specific set of gear behind hardcore content, but locking the "dye" option behind it is just unfair for casual players in my opinion. You give them the exact same armor, but they can't dye it ? I mean, come on, this should not be a thing. I understand that SE don't have the time to come up with new sets for each hardcore content, but still they should look into other options.

And like i said in another thread, i love the Eden's Verse armor, but just as i was ready to start savage, 5.2 came out, and now it's a real pain for me to find people to grind it.
So even for players who enjoy savage content like myself, this can be annoying.

If you want the gear but for whatever reason can't do the savage fight currently (or the EX in this case) you can always unsync the fight next expansion. I'm sorry if you feel it's unfair, but those who are doing harder content deserve rewards, too. Getting dyeable gear sooner is simply one of those rewards. There are plenty of other gear pieces easily obtainable in the meantime.

Also Eden's Verse came out in 5.2? You must mean the Eden's Gate armor, I assume, and I still see PFs for learning and clearing Titan and Leviathan daily. Sure, they aren't as plentiful as they were when the tier was current, but they still exist. Additionally, as I said in another posts there are fellowships and discords dedicated to getting people started and through savage and extreme fights and hardore/ midcore content in general.

[Kraniel]

If you want the gear but for whatever reason can't do the savage fight currently (or the EX in this case) you can always unsync the fight next expansion. I'm sorry if you feel it's unfair, but those who are doing harder content deserve rewards, too. Getting dyeable gear sooner is simply one of those rewards. There are plenty of other gear pieces easily obtainable in the meantime.

Also Eden's Verse came out in 5.2? You must mean the Eden's Gate armor, I assume, and I still see PFs for learning and clearing Titan and Leviathan daily. Sure, they aren't as plentiful as they were when the tier was current, but they still exist. Additionally, as I said in another posts there are fellowships and discords dedicated to getting people started and through savage and extreme fights and hardore/ midcore content in general.

It's not unfair for me personally since i'm currently doing the savage/extreme trials. I was saying it's unfair for those who don't want to do them at all.
Yeah you're right, i meant Eden's Gate, not Eden's Verse. And it's a real pain to find a party to do those nowadays.

I expected you to say that people can just wait until the next expansion to do the content unsynced, but that's not a real argument. Expansions come out about every two years. You're basically asking the whole casual community to wait for two years to get the dyeable version of gear they already own.

On the other hand, when some players asked to delay savage of 1~2 weeks at most, the hardcore raiders said they wanted the content right away, just because (see this thread for instance). I don't know your stance on this other topic, but whatever it is you have to realize that when the hardcore part of the community says they can't wait another week to start savage, telling the casuals that they should wait two years to get dyeable gear is quite the absurdity.

All in all, that's why i'm saying that there are other ways to reward hardcore players, without frustrating a whole chunk of the community (because just as you, i too think that players who clear difficult content should get exceptional rewards). All i want is for SE to explore those options.