Locking dyable artifact gear behind a extreme trial, good idea?

[EaMett]

Ex trials aren't that difficult. More importantly, if you don't want to or can't go in for whatever reasons, you can always head in later in the expansion or next expansion when it has echo and can be unsynched. People wait like this all the time for farming mounts or glam (even those that clear the ex trials day 1). This is really no different.

[NekoHina]

Honestly as much as I want my AF gear dyable, I think I'll wait until we out gear the fight a bit more.

Same here.

[Halivel]

the fight really isn't that hard i don't even think there's a enrage and if there is i have never seen it even with multiple deaths from 80% of the party and a cursed double dancer run

There is an enrage, saw one yesterday on my clear run. But the timer is quite lenient while his HP seems to be fairly low, so the chance of actually witnessing it isn't that high unless party fails mechanics too much. The whole fight is more about being sure to do everything right than about dps. And speaking about this... I can get why some people don't want to bother with PF. Mechanics mostly aren't complicated, there're just a lot of them, and the whole party should have a good coordination (especially on last phase), which is always a gamble in PF - you never know if your current line-up will achieve harmony right away or if you will spend 3 hours on it with some people quitting because they can't stand all the wipes anymore.

[Tsumdere]

I enjoyed the EX fight and have no problems doing it myself, but I do think there should be an alternate method. I think it would be nice for tradable materials to also drop from the fight - that way people who don't want to do the EX can buy them to craft the gear and the people who don't mind doing the EX can get some gil.

[Eldevern]

In EU servers, the real rush is 18h-23h. The Ex time is most of time 21-Midnight. If you wish to do Ex another time in the day, you will NEVER fill the PF quick enough. I've tried for easier contents, the PF has never filled quick enough not not be forced to give up because of... you know real life matters (that are far more important than the game).

And even if the PF fill... we start, first wipe and... someone leaving because of... real life matters (lunch time! dinner time! My mother is back! My wife/husband is back! and so on).

Do you consider it worth to wait one or two hours to train... an half? I don't. Do you even realize you all talk about three hours of training run? I NEVER have three hours of training availabity if you add the PF waiting time, especially daytime. I can do one hour, one hour and a half, but not more (I'm already short in time when I'm waiting for the Alliance if it takes a bit of time).

[Kraniel]

Yeah sure the fight itself might not be that hard, but i strongly disagree with the idea of locking dyeable gear behind extreme trials/raids.

The rewards for extreme trials/raids should be somehow in line with what the players who do them specifically aspire to.

Getting better glamour is something that most of the player base aspires to, while only a minority of it is willing to do hardcore content. Hence, locking dyeable gear behind that content is in my opinion a plain bad design choice.

[Eldevern]

There are tons of glamour options in the game that people pour hours upon hours into to get. This is no different. Put in the work and effort, or go without.

Sorry if that comes off as harsh, but I find it ridiculous that, when faced with the options of "get better at the game" or "go without," so many are so quick to choose the latter when those same people have put in tons of time and energy into things that are, frankly, much, much more difficult to obtain.

I feel like some kind of contradiction in what you wrote. Could you explicit what you call "difficulty"?

Spending time (but with the possibility to interrupt anytime and as long as needed) and Ex training (when people expect you don't ask random breaks) are not the same kind of difficulty at all. The first case, there are not some kind of availability contrainst and it's not even a difficulty, just... grind when available/motivated (and doable as PU).

[Sesera]

There are tons of glamour options in the game that people pour hours upon hours into to get. This is no different. Put in the work and effort, or go without.

Sorry if that comes off as harsh, but I find it ridiculous that, when faced with the options of "get better at the game" or "go without," so many are so quick to choose the latter when those same people have put in tons of time and energy into things that are, frankly, much, much more difficult to obtain.

people are willing to git gud to beat content they want to do not for content they are forced to do.



Doing something you like and/or with friends =/= something you don't like with strangers.

[Mavrias]

Yeah sure the fight itself might not be that hard, but i strongly disagree with the idea of locking dyeable gear behind extreme trials/raids.

The rewards for extreme trials/raids should be somehow in line with what the players who do them specifically aspire to.

Getting better glamour is something that most of the player base aspires to, while only a minority of it is willing to do hardcore content. Hence, locking dyeable gear behind that content is in my opinion a plain bad design choice.

Dyeable gear has been locked behind savage for years, so I'm not sure what your point is.

[Hyperia]

Dyeable gear has been locked behind savage for years, so I'm not sure what your point is.

Yes but that was raid glamor not your basic job gear, this is an unfortunate first.