Locking dyable artifact gear behind a extreme trial, good idea?

[Melichoir]

Why people are always focused on their belief it is because of the "difficulty"? It is not the difficulty as an "absolute" the problem, there are side matters.

Of course there are nuances like schedule conflicts. But that is still a you issue. Are we saying that you are working and sleeping only 7 days a week and you have no down time? Or are we talking about you get home from work and decide you dont want to play FFXIV but catch up on a show or movie. How you spend your free time is up to you, and why you do it is also your call. But that is on you, not the content in the game.

What if you want to sleep at night and the only way to do Ex is to play at evening?

There are people playing this game at all hours. Also, are you saying youre going from work to bed every day 7/12?

What if to "come in voice chat" is not possible?

I did it without VC. Most PFs I see dont require it, and frankly it doesnt require VC to do. Dont get me wrong, VC is great at times. But it's not a necessity. The major coordination issues are about determining positions or preset things. If you memorize the mechanics, you dont need call outs typically.

What if you see some latency that makes it will end as a PL?

Again, this is a you problem. Super unfortunate, but it's still a you issue. If you dont get to see your latest Netflix show cause your internet is bad, is that netflixes problem or yours? Hell bad latency stops you from doing most content, not just ex or savage.

And the PF... waiting two hours to give up after an half because someone ragequit and go for a PF again... to disband after a new half of waiting.

I go into PF, and know how crappy it can be. Yeah this sucks, but its more an exception. Ive never had to wait 2+ hours on current content in PF and I see the rage quit typically after people on hte whole have cleared it. Honestly, best time to learn a fight is to do it when it comes out. Avoid the "Know the Mechanics or insta kick" groups cause those are traps. Btw, most people for whatever reason are scared to make their own PF. So if you dont see a PF for a learning party or prog, dont be afraid to make one. There's lots of players out there who are willing to join one, but are afraid of making one.

The Ex itslef is odd. There's no NM you can train on and...

I havent checked if theres a normal version of this fight honestly. If there's not, then that should be corrected. But the EX fight itself is just the normal with some extra mechanics.

[Zarkovitch]

They should add a alternative for people who have issue with stress. Like grind poetic or better daily roullette(LVL,MSQ,TRIAL,RAID TRIAL,ALLIANCE) you get a item. this item will require a certain amount (like EX) to have a piece of your choices. Everyone wins.

[Malmstrom]

There are people playing this game at all hours. Also, are you saying youre going from work to bed every day 7/12?

There are, yes, but most serious raiding happens at a time when the 9-5 folks are done working for the day.

People like myself, for instance, aren't going to have much luck when 99% of groups raid from 6-7PM to 11-12PM when we have jobs that require us to wake up at 2 AM.

[Skivvy]

I'm a bit torn myself. :X

I've never actually completed an EX trial while it's still relevant, and so there's definitely some apprehension there about finally giving one a shot. My play time is generally spotty at best, and I have a lot of stress that goes on in my day to day (work long hours, family/small child, etc), and so I normally just shy away from anything that's going to compound that. I know how uppity some people can be when just doing basic content and I'm not sure how worth all of that nonsense will be just so I can look cute in my AF. :P

With that said, dyeable AF probably WILL be enough of an incentive to finally get my arse to give them a go. So on that front maybe SE's ploy has worked. It will finally get me to try something I've avoided all of these years. May end up crying myself to sleep nightly, but we'll see. Maybe I'll luck out and get a chill group.

[StriderShinryu]

They should add a alternative for people who have issue with stress. Like grind poetic or better daily roullette(LVL,MSQ,TRIAL,RAID TRIAL,ALLIANCE) you get a item. this item will require a certain amount (like EX) to have a piece of your choices. Everyone wins.

Pretty much my thought as well. I have no real issue with the EX being the quick and dirty way to get the AF gear but they should at least allow everyone else to earn it in some other way. Maybe add a way to earn it while doing the next step of the Relic Weapon process.

[dinnertime]

There are, yes, but most serious raiding happens at a time when the 9-5 folks are done working for the day.

People like myself, for instance, aren't going to have much luck when 99% of groups raid from 6-7PM to 11-12PM when we have jobs that require us to wake up at 2 AM.

Not everyone works a 9-5 job either so there's going to be people finding groups at different times. Sure it's not very common but again, it's not impossible. I work a 6-3 job, waking up as early as 4 AM, and I still found some time to clear some Ex trials. There's also your days off to attempt with groups.
Besides with what's been happening lately, a bunch of you might be staying at home. You have plenty of time to try it out.

[Ryaz]

While I found the ex-trial fairly easy and already have my Sam relic armor (and working on my pld), I do agree that relic gear is supposed to be a long, but easier grind for those who don't want to do the harder content. That was the point of relics when they were first introduced- an alternative to savage mode that allowed the player to eventually get some of the best gear, but it took a lot of time. They started to get away from that in SB a little. Eureka was definitely a grind, but could also be tough for solo players to manage due to its nature.

I enjoyed the fight and as a non-savage player, am always grateful for more mid-core content. But I'm not sure it has its place is relics.

[aiqa]

I dislike the uninspired reuse of a content type we've seen many times before. This type of content already has enough rewards elsewhere in the game, it didn't need relic armors at all. Sure Eureka wasn't perfect, but at least Eureka was break from the endless instanced bossfights in the rest of the game and it was much more inclusive than struggling through raid finder.

And I don't understand the arguments that claim it's a good idea to push players into EX content or get them out of their comfort zone. I've never seen any MMO where players that weren't already interested in the more challenging content "rise to the challenge" when content tries to force them. A game isn't always a project for self improvement for me, and I think it isn't for many/most people, it can just be a game where I want to have fun and spend some of my spare time.

[Melichoir]

There are, yes, but most serious raiding happens at a time when the 9-5 folks are done working for the day.

People like myself, for instance, aren't going to have much luck when 99% of groups raid from 6-7PM to 11-12PM when we have jobs that require us to wake up at 2 AM.

How you manage your time and what obligations you have is not SE's problem. This doesnt even consider the ability to raid with other continents, or adjusting your sleep/wake schedule to account for it. Ive raided and have friends in both teh EU and Australia, as an example. I know of statics who do cross continental raiding schedules. So dont tell me there is no hope for you. If you want to do the content, youll find a way to do it. Like anything you want to do, youll find the time to do it.

I dislike the uninspired reuse of a content type we've seen many times before. This type of content already has enough rewards elsewhere in the game, it didn't need relic armors at all. Sure Eureka wasn't perfect, but at least Eureka was break from the endless instanced bossfights in the rest of the game and it was much more inclusive than struggling through raid finder.

Eureka's biggest problem was the model it used, and how to get around the crap model it fostered a system of afk farming. 70 some odd people run to a spot to spawn an NM, and 55 of them stand around doing nothing while 15 guys are busy putting in the effort. Boss spawns, turns into a clown show, and then all the people who afked around until boss spawns gets credit and follows the train on. It didnt require much actual effort. Even the NMs werent that difficult. And please no one be cute. If you were active in Eureka, you well know the mobs of people who stood around the train alt tabbed doing what ever and just waiting for the NM to spawn.

This time around, it's a lot less time wasting and more "If you want it, go get it." It's strictly more about your personal skill and involvement.

And I don't understand the arguments that claim it's a good idea to push players into EX content or get them out of their comfort zone. I've never seen any MMO where players that weren't already interested in the more challenging content "rise to the challenge" when content tries to force them. A game isn't always a project for self improvement for me, and I think it isn't for many/most people, it can just be a game where I want to have fun and spend some of my spare time.

Answer me this: Do you feel that you should be entitled to some of the best and coolest looking gear or mounts in the game simply for logging in? You dont want to engage in challenging content - ok. That is perfectly fine. But what makes you think anyone should be able to reap the rewards of that content when they choose to not engage with it? You just want to chill and not be challenged , by the standards provided on what is and isnt hardcore content, standard roulettes are right there for you. Enjoy what items and rewards those yield. No one will fault you.

It becomes a problem when players see something they do want, but dont want to put in time or effort to get those rewards. They demand the content be made more accessible (aka being made easier). And the problem with a skill floor htat keeps getting pushed down? People start labeling content that is mid tier at best as "Hardcore" because theyve dropped their ability and standards that much that they cant tell its not that bad. I wasnt joking when I said if you can clear E8, you can clear this new extreme. It seems complex at a glance, but once you break it down and put a touch of thought into it, it's a lot simpler than you think and just requires practice once you know the theory.

TLDR: You want to just kill time and relax on ffxiv. I wont fault you for that. Somedays I feel like that. But dont start saying content should be dumbed down so you can have the same rewards as people who put time and some moderate effort into the game. And frankly, the better you get, the less effort you would expend to get the same rewards.

[Duskane]

the fight really isn't that hard i don't even think there's a enrage and if there is i have never seen it even with multiple deaths from 80% of the party and a cursed double dancer run
i still think people should give it a go despite your fight anxiety or time schedule i cleared the fight at 3am teaching 7 other Japanese people Fortis mechanic with google translate
but they should also not lock job gear behind a EX trial in the future
so its a Mix bag for me.