Warrior clunkyness

[shao32]

you guys have to understand that nascent flash is primary desing to be used in you co-tank when he recive masive damage aka tank busters and other mechanics where the MT recive tons of damage and you not, it's the equivalent of PLD intervetion, DRK the blackest night and GNB heart of stone, all tanks have to target others to use it on his team mates and all tanks lose the use of a defensive in the process, DRK cant use TBN until is back, GNB the same with heart of stone and PLD lose oath resources the same used for shelltron.

the self heal is a bonus but is not meant to be used as personal purposes since for that we have raw intuition sharing the same recast, a skill that doesn't need to switch targets and you have equilibrium every 60s, with that recast you can self heal yourself after mitigate any TB with a great chunk, if nascent flash is too annoying to abuse then use the defensive kit as how should be, yeah the skill is great to enjoy , i personally enjoy a lot when i use chaotic cyclone and laugh at the mass pulls since remember me the old days of DRK and his fantastic AOE rotation, but undestarnd is not mean to be used that way and that rate and every tank have to target you team mates to trow them his single target mitigation so WAR is not more clunky that the others.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

you guys have to understand that nascent flash is primary desing to be used in you co-tank when he recive masive damage aka tank busters and other mechanics where the MT recive tons of damage and you not, it's the equivalent of PLD intervetion, DRK the blackest night and GNB heart of stone, all tanks have to target others to use it on his team mates and all tanks lose the use of a defensive in the process, DRK cant use TBN until is back, GNB the same with heart of stone and PLD lose oath resources the same used for shelltron.

the self heal is a bonus but is not meant to be used as personal purposes since for that we have raw intuition sharing the same recast, a skill that doesn't need to switch targets and you have equilibrium every 60s, with that recast you can self heal yourself after mitigate any TB with a great chunk, if nascent flash is too annoying to abuse then use the defensive kit as how should be, yeah the skill is great to enjoy , i personally enjoy a lot when i use chaotic cyclone and laugh at the mass pulls since remember me the old days of DRK and his fantastic AOE rotation, but undestarnd is not mean to be used that way and that rate and every tank have to target you team mates to trow them his single target mitigation so WAR is not more clunky that the others.

Shao, for the love of god... get the idea of "Nascent Flash's primary purpose / design philosophy is to support your co-tank" out of your head. Nascent Flash is a two-fold purpose skill with both effects being equally viable, given the right situation.

It is also not fair to shoe-horn Nascent Flash that easily into comparison to all other target-utility just because you can target someone with it.

- Intervention can be used along with Sheltron as long as you have 100 gauge, Raw Int + Nascent can't.
- The Blackest Night only works for a single target at a time, but has the shortest cooldown + a resource refund to compensate.
- Heart of Stone also only works for a single target at a time, but instead of a shorter cooldown it allows you to transfer Brutal Shell to a target, as negligible as it may be.

In comparison to those, Nascent Flash sets itself apart for having two purposes at the same time, which more often than not don't need to happen at the same time to make the skill viable.
- Mitigation & minor recovery for a target
- Large recovery for self

In practice, Nascent Flash is more often than not used to recover HP, particularly if you are the current tank of a target and situationally it gets double efficiency from double-busters. The keyword is situationally.

The problem for many WARs out there isn't that they don't care about applying Nascent Flash / Glint to a target if an attack is about to hit them for massive damage or to deal with fluff damage. It is when the situation of getting a benefit of Nascent Glint, Nascent Flash's secondary effect is simply not possible but using Nascent Flash would be more beneficial for self than using Raw Intuition, that is where Nascent Flash has clunkiness regarding input and should be improved upon.

The solution to this issue - allow Nascent Flash to be cast without a target similar to Dragon Sight from DRG without applying Nascent Glint to anyone
The solution is NOT - nerfing self-benefits of Nascent Flash / buffing Raw Intuition just to make Raw Intuition 100% the go-to skill to use. (putting this here preemptively before anyone comes up with this idea)

What this effectively would change is allowing WARs who are MT / current tank (i.e. where 90% of the time there is no benefit to apply to anyone else) to use Nascent Flash without requiring a macro for swift use or without having to learn hot-swapping targets to use it. This would only make the input easier, the actual use would be identical as before.

[shao32]

Stormblood warrior has been nerfed to the ground and given nascent flash to give SOME of his healing back to him, the "support" component of this skills is useless in practice and does not make any difference almost at all.
The job is a shadow of himself since 5.0 came out, it has it worse than drk that you are used to complain about so much.

WAR self-healing in heavenward was just OP, the job was invincible during berserk every 60s over what? 15-20s? It was insane and needs to be nerfed yeah and still WAR keep the nature of self healing with equilibrium, thrill of ballte, storm path, steel cyclone (stormblood) and now nascent flash, the job was to much those days and thank good bloodbath was gone.

Still WAR have with DRK one of the best defensive kit of the game and the difference of DPS is none despite WAR is equal/surpass DRK so I fail to understand how it have it worse.

Now I don't complaint about DRK performance but DRK gameplay Wich is a different thing, I could care less about DRK performance right now.

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It's pretty clear, WAR don't have the raw intuition vs nascent flash barrier for nothing, one self mitigation only, the other can only being used on others, it's simple and fit the mold every tank is forced to fit right now and I consider they make a mistake adding self-healing since ppl use it over his selfish counterpart by a mile, if nascent flash didn't have the self healing trait from the begining none of this complains would have ever seen the light of your minds.

Now the raw intuition and why nascent flash should get a Nerf on self use is simple, if they allow the use of nascent flash on yourself it will become a struggle of Wich one is the useless one, something like the eos/selene drama every expansion, and the clear winner right now is nascent flash so you now what will happen, well it's already happening, every proper WAR avoid raw and use nascent flash only while they manage the rest of the kit which is braindead easy thanks to the lack of TB.

So or they remove raw intuition and make nascent flash a 50% self-heal +10% mitigation for both personal use only and partner use only or they remove the self-healing and end with this drama once for all, otherwise one of the 2 skills will become the pariah and raw is the the one right now that's why ppl ask for nascent become more easy to use on yourself.