Sex between the Races Lore?

[MikkoAkure]

Posted too slow, but FASCINATING!!!! That means the Allagan creation theory IS possible (and the Allagns locked up a LOT of dergs......)

The fact remains that neither the Allagans nor the dragons have been to the First. While the Allagans did portal their way to a different shard, there's no evidence they did so with the First and none of the other Allagan creations exist there. There are no Ixal, Ananta, chimera, etc. An au ra in Ishgard vehemently denies being related to dragons at all and the lorebook explicitly denies a connection.

[Iscah]

The First has "dragons" - the glider-type enemies that look like lizards until they go into attack mode.

It's not clear if they have any relevance to the alien dragons of the Source or if they're just something unrelated that visually resembles them.

Also there is no in-game reason to draw a connection to Au Ra being something special, beyond their appearance. They don't have extended lifespans or special powers or anything. As far as we're told, they're just another variety of oddly-shaped-but-otherwise-normal human.

[kujoestars]

The fact remains that neither the Allagans nor the dragons have been to the First. While the Allagans did portal their way to a different shard, there's no evidence they did so with the First and none of the other Allagan creations exist there. There are no Ixal, Ananta, chimera, etc. An au ra in Ishgard vehemently denies being related to dragons at all and the lorebook explicitly denies a connection.

Maybe I’m getting ahead of myself, but the First has an iteration of the Crystal Tower, yes? Because of alternate timeline shenanigans. I still need to actually see for myself, but the fact it’s there leaves the possibility. Maybe not as likely, but there given the non-linear nature of time between Shards.

Also, unless there is another Au Ra in Ishgard who isn’t Sidurgu, you’re flat out wrong on that . Sid never “vehemently denied” relation to dragons; only angrily described the reason his family was slaughtered. He really had nothing against dragons at all and I doubt he knows himself if there’s relation or not (though obviously he’d have to deny it to avoid being murdered like his family regardless). The lorebook entry on Au Ra is also straight up word-for-word the Character Creation description, which just says it’s debateable, so it doesn’t “explicitly confirm” there’s no connection. EDIT: I checked the pages I found again and actually it straight up says NOTHING about their ancestry besides the Azim/Nhaama thing. That’s an even bigger strike against your claim. :|


A point I somehow forgot to mention before is that if you look at the wall on the exterior of the Dawn Thrown, the carving of Azim’s face looks VERY draconic because aside from the obvious Auri horns, the face is distinctly muzzled like a stylized version of some dragons’ faces. I don’t have the screenshot on my current device, but it stood out for me enough when i got to that cutscene to snap a few shots. I’ll see if I can post later.

Basically, I’m VERY suspicious of the two First Brood members we see and hear exactly zip about. It’s possible they have the Auri traits other dragons don’t have.

Also there is no in-game reason to draw a connection to Au Ra being something special, beyond their appearance. They don't have extended lifespans or special powers or anything. As far as we're told, they're just another variety of oddly-shaped-but-otherwise-normal human.

Appearance is literally all that’s special about them. Still doesn’t rule out distant ancestry though. ;p

[Kidria]

The Crystal Tower on the First is literally the one from the Source, just from a different time, as the Exarch explains when you arrive to Crystarium. That wouldn't allude to Au Ra being Allagan made, as The Kingdom of Voeburt of the First was established before then and were lead by the Drahn(Au Ra). I believe the ancient Ronkan empire of the First also had Drahn royalty? I'd have to go back on on the Qitari quests to confirm that.

[Iscah]

Maybe I’m getting ahead of myself, but the First has an iteration of the Crystal Tower, yes? Because of alternate timeline shenanigans. I still need to actually see for myself, but the fact it’s there leaves the possibility. Maybe not as likely, but there given the non-linear nature of time between Shards.

There is indeed a Crystal Tower on the First, but its reason for being there has nothing to do with the Allagans. If you don't know the details yet, all will be explained in time.

[Cybylt]

But then, logically speaking, Middy’s kids should all be clones of him but they aren’t, nor are any of their children (though clones of each other, maybe). They even take mates and likely have their unique offspring from here.

That's because dragon's physical development is entirely based upon the aether they absorb through their eyes as they age. At different phases of life they hit thresholds which, based on elemental balances and imbalances, metamorphose them into the varied forms of dragons we see.

The Ronkan Empire had Ronso royalty, the Drahn made up the priesthood.

Also we do know what Vrtra and Azdaja look like from The First Brood portrait in the first Encyclopedia. They don't have Auri features, one of them doesn't even have horns, and the one that does has feathers and a beak, and neither fall into Auri coloration.

[Vyrerus]

Does anyone have any strong feelings on Highlander Hyurs, why males have no eyebrows, and whether or not that racist joke about them have Roe blood is true or not? I mean, I like the idea, because I find female Roes very attactive, and the men aren't all that bad either, aside from their insane shoulder berth.

I started as a Highlander. My first alt was a male Roe, and about 5 months into Heavensward I switched to an Au Ra on the Highlander and to Highlander on the Roe. Thing is, Roe of bother sexes have eyebrows, so I'm kind of at a loss as to why male Highlanders do not have eyebrows.

A fae fancy for your thoughts?

[MikkoAkure]

Snip.

It’s a bit weird how set you are in having au ra be draconic. I got it mixed up in my head I guess, but this is from 3.0 lodestone:

The curved horns and beautifully patterned scales that characterize the Au Ra oft give rise to speculation that this Hyur-like race native to the Far Eastern continent of Othard are, in fact, the progeny of dragons. This, however, has long been disputed, with scholars citing several distinct differences in the two races as evidence of decidedly dissimilar roots - the first and foremost being the enhanced hearing and spatial recognition granted by an Au Ra's cranial projections (traits not attributed to draconian horns), and the second being the gross disproportion in body mass between Auri males and females (again, a trait widely unseen in dragons).

A fae fancy for your thoughts?

I’ve always thought that highlanders were a cross-breed between roes and midlanders. The eyebrow thing is a cultural thing though. Male highlanders shave their eyebrows and file their teeth to points because they’re crazy.

[Vyrerus]

I’ve always thought that highlanders were a cross-breed between roes and midlanders. The eyebrow thing is a cultural thing though. Male highlanders shave their eyebrows and file their teeth to points because they’re crazy.

Lmfao! Ilberd was for sure! I suppose Gerolt and Grenoldt are kinda crazy too... I'm definitely a little touched. Let's see... I guess the only Highlander I can think of that isn't fully crazy is Arenvald, but then again, he's full on crushing for Fordola so... yeah I guess your ideas check out!

[TheMightyMollusk]

Arenvald is half Garlean.