Lost my House

[Eldevern]

Apartments are instanced yes, but they have a limit of 400 rooms I think, so it's still limited and 400 is not enough still. A compromise had to be made somewhere. No one cares about apartments(they are dead on Spriggan), people want their own house.

Of course. No gardening, useless mezzanine since you need to use glitchs...

I use it mainly for the cheap tp it provides. Of course all people want a house, but not necessary in a ward. I would prefer the instancied system from Wildstar. The current system is a fail for show off since nobody goes in a ghost town and it is a fail again for creativity since apartments are far too limited...

[Rasikko]

There is one upside to owning an apartment at the very least, and it's that your sub isn't held hostage.

[JumperX]

So I know the rules clearly mention that you need to go to your private estate within 45 days and I know that FFXIV sends an email reminder about that. Even if the email is not received by the player for any reason, rules are rules.

I lost my house yesterday, a special spot next to my fc with 6 months of work and fun on putting furniture together. I had an emergency leave and was not able to log to the game. I kinda forgot that I should check my estate within that period before it’s demolished and for some reason I did not revive an email reminder, or it could be accidentally sent to junk - tbh I haven’t checked yet. Either ways it’s too late now.

I’m wondering why would you put such a rule if I’m paying for my subscription? I paid upfront and an active subscriber, whether I log or not, why would you demolish people’s houses?

Tell them to provide houses for everybody. Not everybody has the luxury to be awake and playing all dawn until moe ing or a lot of gil to spend thousand millions to buy one. We provide subscription as much you. Tough words but gotta put yourself on other's shoes as well.

[Melichoir]

You can disagree all you like but I won't change my opinion of a system that is in need of fixing. If they are paying a sub then they are active. How and when i use my house is my business. If I choose to go on a 2 month vacation I should be able to without losing my house as long as I maintain my sub.

Having a sub does not mean participating in content. Housing is content. Having your sub does not entitle you to hold something that is limited even if you dont log in.

If gardening with cross-breeding was allowed in apartments then I'd agree with you. But you need access to a garden to be able to do cross-breeding....

Youre identifying a shortcoming with apartments, and suggesting the solution is to create more housing by restructuring how the servers themselves work so every house is a single instance and everything is separated and isolated. If this is an issue people have, it might actually be better to advocate for a much more advanced Apartment system. For example, you could have small/medium/large size apartments that all cost different things. Small apts are what we got now, medium have a up and downstairs similar in size to a cottage, a large apartment would have up and down stairs with an outdoor balcony section that holds 10 yard items (with some limitations, such as large outdoor items might have to be restricted for obvious reasons.) Theyll have different price tiers, and item limits of course. So on so forth. Point is, We could do instanced housing in a sense by reworking how apartments work while leaving the current housing system in place.

...I would prefer the instancied system from Wildstar.

I liked a great many things about WildStars housing system, however I will not deny that it also felt isolated and lonely. Yes, I could visit any house I watned to see something, but it doesnt have the same feel FFXIV does in terms of wards feeling more alive overall. It's definitely not perfect on FFXIV and theres a lot of room to debate how things should proceed, but I do like how it works currently from a look and feel standpoint.

[Bright-Flower]

Having a sub does not mean participating in content. Housing is content. Having your sub does not entitle you to hold something that is limited even if you dont log in.




Youre identifying a shortcoming with apartments, and suggesting the solution is to create more housing by restructuring how the servers themselves work so every house is a single instance and everything is separated and isolated. If this is an issue people have, it might actually be better to advocate for a much more advanced Apartment system. For example, you could have small/medium/large size apartments that all cost different things. Small apts are what we got now, medium have a up and downstairs similar in size to a cottage, a large apartment would have up and down stairs with an outdoor balcony section that holds 10 yard items (with some limitations, such as large outdoor items might have to be restricted for obvious reasons.) Theyll have different price tiers, and item limits of course. So on so forth. Point is, We could do instanced housing in a sense by reworking how apartments work while leaving the current housing system in place.



I liked a great many things about WildStars housing system, however I will not deny that it also felt isolated and lonely. Yes, I could visit any house I watned to see something, but it doesnt have the same feel FFXIV does in terms of wards feeling more alive overall. It's definitely not perfect on FFXIV and theres a lot of room to debate how things should proceed, but I do like how it works currently from a look and feel standpoint.

Sure you sacrifice having a 'neightborhood' but I'd 100% take instanced housing over the wards, so that housing will be open to the playerbase at large rather than being in limited supply. If they let you upgrade apartments to match the interior of houses over time, like upgrading your house in animal crossing, then that might be one thing. But I dont' think the positives of wards outweigh the negatives without adding several more wards at least.

[tdb]

Apartments are instanced yes, but they have a limit of 400 rooms I think, so it's still limited and 400 is not enough still. A compromise had to be made somewhere. No one cares about apartments(they are dead on Spriggan), people want their own house.

Where'd you get 400 from? Each apartment building can have 90 apartments. There are two apartment buildings per ward (main division and subdivision) and 21 wards per area, so 3780 apartments per area. Multiply that by four residential areas and you get a grand total of 15120 apartments per server. The total number of housing plots is one third of that (5040 per server) though I don't remember the distribution of the different sizes off the top of my head.

[Avidria]

Sure you sacrifice having a 'neightborhood' but I'd 100% take instanced housing over the wards, so that housing will be open to the playerbase at large rather than being in limited supply. If they let you upgrade apartments to match the interior of houses over time, like upgrading your house in animal crossing, then that might be one thing. But I dont' think the positives of wards outweigh the negatives without adding several more wards at least.

Yeah I agree here
The wards, in my experience, are often mostly empty anyway. My fc mates hang out in front of our house often enough, but I almost never see any of our neighbors. I see maybe one or two other people hanging around by my house too, and it's usually sitting at the mb or retainer bell. I'm in the Goblet, and I think the best way I can think to put it is that the place feels kind of like a neighborhood in the middle of a miserable hot day when absolutely no one wants to be outside except those like three people who want to get fresh air and that one dude who's gotta walk his dog. Seeing any other players at all is a pleasant surprise.

I'd rather have a large house I can decorate however I want and maybe chill in the yard with people than a whole empty neighborhood where most players will never be able to live.

Granted I'd prefer some hybrid solution, where you don't necessarily need to give up wards - like greatly improving and expanding apartments, for instance, or having wards with like... condos and townhouses, with multiple levels so you can expand up and fit more than one person's house in a plot. Maybe size them somewhere between small/med and med/large... as an in between type of housing. I dunno. Unless there's some hardware or programming limitation, I don't see why say, Ishgard housing for example would need to follow the same template as the other housing areas. If it's confirmed it most likely *will* buuuut. Still interesting to think about.

[Eldevern]

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It wouldn't feel lonely if there were a central aetheryte for indvidual instancied housing and FCs only wards - especially if the centrale aetheryte is in FCs only wards-.

Currently, individual owned wards are like a ghost town. It could be an empty area as is for the Cristarium or Kugane Inn window landscape it would be the same : client side and not server ressources involved. Currently the ghost towns wards are a waste of server ressources and then a waste of real money. I can deal with the fact to not have house but to see we pay to waste servers ressources and real money... I can't get people accept that.

SE totally messed up the ward concept.

[Melichoir]

Sure you sacrifice having a 'neightborhood' but I'd 100% take instanced housing over the wards, so that housing will be open to the playerbase at large rather than being in limited supply. If they let you upgrade apartments to match the interior of houses over time, like upgrading your house in animal crossing, then that might be one thing. But I dont' think the positives of wards outweigh the negatives without adding several more wards at least.

I suppose this is the disagreement then. I would hands down take our current model over instanced wards, even if it meant more people have access to housing. All instancing would do is turn houses into glorified apartments by that point, and diminish the fun and interest of them. At least with the given proposal of apartments in different tiers that are instanced, you could have both and satisfy most everyone's desires if people just want a space to decorate and do basic farming.

But to be honest, a cynical part of me believes the housing demand is the way it is cause people do want the neighborhood aspect along with the fact its a limited resource people perceive a greater value to it, regardless of if they would do something with it. For better or worse, we all know that half the houses currently are almost bare or decorated in such a fashion where someone bought a few vendor items, threw them into the house, and called it a day cause they got bored. So how many people advocating for personal housing really would do something more with it than just the bare minimum?

[Greyhawk]

So I know the rules clearly mention that you need to go to your private estate within 45 days and I know that FFXIV sends an email reminder about that. Even if the email is not received by the player for any reason, rules are rules.

I lost my house yesterday, a special spot next to my fc with 6 months of work and fun on putting furniture together. I had an emergency leave and was not able to log to the game. I kinda forgot that I should check my estate within that period before it’s demolished and for some reason I did not revive an email reminder, or it could be accidentally sent to junk - tbh I haven’t checked yet. Either ways it’s too late now.

I’m wondering why would you put such a rule if I’m paying for my subscription? I paid upfront and an active subscriber, whether I log or not, why would you demolish people’s houses?

So... what's the question? You've already answered yourself the ones that you posted. Why post about this in the first place if you "know the rules"? You lost your house for reasons known - you couldn't log in. I don't understand why you are posting about it. Adding fuel to a fire that is already burning?