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Thread: SCH need buffs

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    No idea what you're talking about. SCH is god tier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LariaKirin View Post
    No idea what you're talking about. SCH is god tier.
    SCH isn't God Tier any more. Essentially all three healers are the same. SCH is just really good to pair with either WHM or AST.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Oh no how scary! The other healers are actually competitive with scholar??? It's almost like....the devs want there to be balance between the three healers or something.

    Sarcasm aside, we've had this discussion in other forum posts. Scholar's strength isnt its raw output, it's its ability to slot it's more versatile ogcd kit in between its cohealer's ogcds. Its versatility is balanced around the fact that a majority of its ogcd toolkit has a cost attached to it. While scholar does have to loose potency to weave outside of Biolysis or Swiftcast Broil III, any excess healing it does not need to do can be converted into damage, no, and stored away for healing later, to make up the difference

    While AST does have significantly more weave space and potential for lossless healing, a majority of its ogcds have 60 sec cooldowns and its personal dps and mana management is the worst of the three healers, additionally, for its damage to be on par with its cohealer's, its reliant on a system of applying damage buffs to its allies and group, another mechanic that uses up the weaving space AST has.

    While WHM does have incredibly powerful raw heals and dps, it makes up for it by having no raid buffs, the most restrictive options for shielding and damage mitigation ( a 30 sec single target cooldown for shields and a 2min cooldown for damage mitigation) and relies on a system of special gcd heals which end up being damage negative outside of cleave fights, in order to weave it's own ogcd cooldowns.
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    I'unno, sure would be nice if the fairy healed more than 2.5%of the tanks max HP at the least or if we could have her prioritize who to embrace.
    Just a slight potency buff to dawn and a slight Blessing CD cut. All I'd want.... Probably. For now.
    Well that and probably, you know, fix the biggest weakness (of all healers) which is falling asleep in fights like E7S because of 2 minutes of Broil spam in the beginning of the fight. Really tough to deal with rn.
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    What I want is for Aetherflow heals to stop being so gosh darn expensive.
    You lose 80 potency for Ruin2, and a further 150 (total 230) for no energy drain.
    It’s close to a GCD’s worth of lost potency and it’s not even like AF heals are powerful, just frequent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    SCH isn't God Tier any more. Essentially all three healers are the same. SCH is just really good to pair with either WHM or AST.
    Slight correction: SCH is exceptional when paired with AST.

    With WHM, SCH is meh. Both SCH and WHM pair very well with AST, with SCH coming out slightly ahead in AST pairings.
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    If using Aetherflow heals instead of Energy Drain carries such a nasty opportunity cost...............

    Perhaps the devs could fix that by deleting Energy Drain. *clownface*
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    Last edited by Semirhage; 03-14-2020 at 03:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    If using Aetherflow heals instead of Energy Drain carries such a nasty opportunity cost...............

    Perhaps the devs could fix that by deleting Energy Drain. *clownface*
    TBH, the moment I saw threads popping up asking for ED back, I knew we'd see these arguments crop up again and again. Probably why the devs got rid of it in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    TBH, the moment I saw threads popping up asking for ED back, I knew we'd see these arguments crop up again and again. Probably why the devs got rid of it in the first place.
    I agree, this is likely why they got rid of energy drain but they made a major mistake in not having anything to do with surplus aetherflows. i think instead of readding it, it wouldve been better to have a fairy gauge equivalent to energy drain, where you use gauge to do damage. that way ppl wouldn't get stingy like this with AF skills and the gauge could have more purpose...
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    They should make ED deal 0 damage and ED will be use for MP recovery tools and burn unused AF stack.
    Or
    They can delete ED and give a new skill to convert 1 AF into 2 Faerie Gauge.

    Then adjust SCH dps from its dps spell or Chain Strategem (change strength, duration, or CD).
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    Last edited by Bobsmiaw; 03-14-2020 at 07:47 AM.

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