Thief, Musketeer, Dark Knight, and Arcanist

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

You really will defend anything SE does or says. I wonder what they did to get this kind of loyalty from someone; I'd love to know the trick to it.

They would be leveling one class - Gladiator - and would then advance Paladin and/or Dark Knight through quests. They wouldn't be leveling both.

Also, if you think most people wouldn't be interested in using both jobs, you obviously haven't been paying attention to how most people level/progress through all classes currently in this game. It's the main feature of the armory system - play everything! I don't see why, with fees for extra characters, we shouldn't get able to access everything on one character especially when it conflicts with the Armory system.

The lore of Cecil doesn't have to exist in this game; they can create their own FFXIV lore for being able to use both Paladin and Dark Knight and I don't see a good gameplay reason to restrict players like that translation says. If the translation is correct and they choose to do that, I think it would be an extremely poor decision and in direct conflict with the Armory system.

Due to the Armoury System's setup, it would not be in SE's best interest to do the lock out. If anything, I would like to see SE reapproach the Armoury System further down the road of exclusive traits that enhance abilities that make being the class more valuable and in essence, unique.

I can understand from a lore-sense to make the decision, but FFXIV is not known for irreversible decisions after character creation (with the exception of Grand Company). In the Japanese text, Paladin is just called Knight, so I'm thinking more good cop, bad cop.

Even if we were to take Cecil in his Dissidian lore, Cecil is both Paladin and Dark Knight, switching between the two forms in battle as needed.

There are a lot of players out there that when they play the one class and not rely on leveling up other classes to perform their main class's duties. From the job standpoint, that's exactly who will benefit from the job addendum.

[Elexia]

You really will defend anything SE does or says.

See this is the funny thing. People on these forums always state:

"This is Final Fantasy XIV, not A,B,C,D MMORPG."

If in FFXIV, even with the Armory system, it states that you can be either a Paladin or Dark Knight, that's just how the game will be and if you're playing it you still have many other options. So no, it's not defending anything any more than someone defending "freedom of choice".

you obviously haven't been paying attention to how most people level/progress through all classes currently in this game.

"Powerlvl me plz."

"power level me pl0x"

"Want to be power leveled? 300k/hour."

I have been paying attention quite well.

The lore of Cecil doesn't have to exist in this game

That's exactly why I said it depends. It was an example because based on that (which may not even be accurate) it proves Square has done "locked professions" before based around lore and nothing is wrong with that other than people who don't agree that "Final Fantasy XIV is it's own game." It is it's own game, who's to say SE would be wrong for locking a job path? It is their game after all.

[Deli]

I don't want to make the choice and it's kinda too early to comment about it. but if you choose drk and can't be back to pld, maybe it will make drk or pld more valuable... but ya if you turn dark and find out it sux, then that's it XD

So if they make drk as advanced job, then I think it's workable. got to be better than pld every way and marked it as job+1.
but need holyknight too! :O

[Holy_Dragoon]

They put it down as Holy Dragoon in the English one? First time I saw Kain become that I was like LOL no way but he got a lot stronger, didn't mind that character looks either w

Yeah, the certainly did. But I must confess I made my name prior to the English translation, but planned a Dragoon/White mage from my first days in FF XI. The name seemed unoriginal when I came up with it, now I wouldn't give it up.

On topic =)
I immediately thought of the FFIV parallel with Cecil giving up being a Dark Knight to be a Paladin. I just don't think it fits with this game, despite how awesome the concept making that choice is.

[Zetsumei_Tsunarashi]

Also have to consider that PLD is the most viable tank in the game (currently). So if some paladin's decided they wanted to try out dark knight, you just eliminated valuable tanks from the server. It's not a smart idea.

I'm pretty sure this won't happen though. (feedback so far is pretty unanimous)

[Zantetsuken]

I'll bet the PLD <--> DRK thing is a translation issue. Even if Yoshi was considering it, he'd never do it as it would fly in the face of what they have already established and would irritate most of the player base.

Don't worry about it.

On the ARC > THF business. As Scout was already mentioned (and removing Daggers from GLA as part of it), It's safe to say that Scout > THF is most likely -- and would be ideal.

I will say that ARC needs Ranger (or Sniper) as a 2nd job. Ninja could then be an outgrowth of the Scout and Archer classes. While Samurai could develop from Gladiator and Lancer.

Blog breakdown on job system here.

[Reinheart]

For the ARC > THF I was really thinking it was gonna be Thief Class with Ninja Job but with that info from 2ch might be different now.

[Velhart]

I was thinking Dark Knight would work well into GLA since they are half way confirming it. Notice in CNJ in you can either use a wand/shield or 2 handed staff? I believe the same can be implemented into GLA. Make PLD sword and shield, and then have DRK use a 2 handed sword and focus more on DPS.

It is a mystery how DRK will be implemented, abilities wise and lore wise. Notice the DRG has a lot of abilities that would make sense on DRK (Blood for Blood for example). I am sure they have a few ideas written down on a napkin though. :P

Also remember, these are "ideas" and nothing official, and have a ton of time to give them feedback on it if the translation is actually accurate. One thing you have to give to SE is that they are listening, and willing to change ideas. Action queuing is one I can think of.

[Kiote]

I'll bet the PLD <--> DRK thing is a translation issue. Even if Yoshi was considering it, he'd never do it as it would fly in the face of what they have already established and would irritate most of the player base.

This also Flys in the face of the fact that Classes began with the Abilities of Two Jobs and were stripped down to One for the Job system.

Why would they do that if they were just going to undo that?

I think this whole Discussion is based on Fake information.

[Zantetsuken]

This also Flys in the face of the fact that Classes began with the Abilities of Two Jobs and were stripped down to One for the Job system.

Why would they do that if they were just going to undo that?

I think this whole Discussion is based on Fake information.

The class reforms in 1.20 changed the role of classes from Tanaka's original vision and brought them in line with Yoshi-P's ideas for the future. They now have very distinct roles and serve as solo-versions of the role-focused jobs they will become.

On the fake info, you might be right, but most of it seems to gel with what we've heard already, so I'm not willing to discount it quite yet.