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    Rilifane's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synaesthesia View Post
    Um.. I just want to note that Malefic used to have a 2.5 second cast, it was changed to 1.5s to literally allow the class to function with the amount of weaving they needed to do, and that requirement is even higher in Shadowbringers. Removing that, adding a penalty that will basically negate the effect of a card played if you don't get an RNG based proc on top of already having to manage RNG would essentially make a class that already has a lower playerbase due to how frustrating it can be to play even worse to play?..
    This.
    The weaving requirement for AST is much higher than for SCH or WHM but has no weaving windows outside LS and refreshing the dot if you take away the short Malefic cast. Malefic needs to keep its shorter casttime or AST will become a clipping nightmare.

    But I'm all for the changes proposed to WHM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synaesthesia View Post
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    In a 30s snip,
    Current Astrologian has 13 weave slots, as Combust has 2 and 11 Malefics give 1 each.
    Proposed Astrologian has 12 weave slots, as there'll be an average of 5 procs and each of those has 2 slots.

    Personally I feel like 50% is too much - it's not like we use every weave slot that we get.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
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    I'd change it so that AST's weaving has more thought put into it - it's not like SB where AST's suddenly gone to only combust.
    I can imagine the opener - Malefic Combust (play draw) Stella (Play/MA Lightspeed) Malefic (Sleeve draw...)

    Quote Originally Posted by Rilifane View Post
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    Hang on did you miss the skill that I proposed immediately afterwards? The instant-cast weaving spell with the proc system that adds a small amount of resource management to play with?
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    Nime Nisime
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by YusiKha View Post
    In a 30s snip,
    Current Astrologian has 13 weave slots, as Combust has 2 and 11 Malefics give 1 each.
    Proposed Astrologian has 12 weave slots, as there'll be an average of 5 procs and each of those has 2 slots.

    Personally I feel like 50% is too much - it's not like we use every weave slot that we get.


    I'd change it so that AST's weaving has more thought put into it - it's not like SB where AST's suddenly gone to only combust.
    I can imagine the opener - Malefic Combust (play draw) Stella (Play/MA Lightspeed) Malefic (Sleeve draw...)


    Hang on did you miss the skill that I proposed immediately afterwards? The instant-cast weaving spell with the proc system that adds a small amount of resource management to play with?
    Dealing with RNG to get weaving slots on a class based around weaving isn't "putting more thought into it", it's "praying you get to actually play that card when it needs to be played" or "clipping your heals because you didn't get a proc for the last 20 seconds"

    The amount of frustration that would add onto a class that already deals with frustrating aspects is literally straight up asking not only for a nerf to their effectiveness but also to make the gameplay more punishing than it already is.

    I feel like your suggestions to give White Mage more weaving windows and Scholar more things to play with are nice, but this is brutally bad.
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by YusiKha View Post
    Hang on did you miss the skill that I proposed immediately afterwards? The instant-cast weaving spell with the proc system that adds a small amount of resource management to play with?
    I didn't, but AST already deals with RNG.
    And now you want to tie weaving slots to RNG aswell.

    Malefic single weave slot adds a much better rhythm to the gameplay than praying that your dot regulary procs. It's not something "to play with", it's something to get frustrated over. Currently AST has guaranteed 11 single weave slots with every Malefic, while your change would add the chance with an average of 5 double weave slots.
    The single weave slot has another purpose: it gives you a little time to evaluate the situation before weaving another oGCD in your next cast. Having two single weave slots during two GCDs or one double weave slot isn't the same. It adds an unneccessary level of stress and pressure to make decisions even faster.
    Everytime an AST can't use the double weave slot effectively they're essentially wasting one proc.

    The 1,5sec cast was a QoL change to make AST gameplay more fluid which it did and was received extremely well by the AST community. And you want to mess it up again.
    Your WHM and SCH sound nice but don't give SE any ideas regarding Malefic...
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    Last edited by Rilifane; 03-11-2020 at 04:45 AM.