nerfing orbonne was hella unnecessary

[Cidel]

It's not a hard fight conceptually, but it's just one of those fights where a few bad eggs can cause a wipe very abruptly, so unfortunately it has a reputation of causing vote abandons and probably disputes that I imagine the devs just don't want to deal with so they're nipping it in the bud now before the Shadowbringers relic quest goes live.

After Steps of Faith this sort of thing is hardly surprising.

[Jandor]

It's all well and good moaning about it being nerfed, but I'd rather not waste an hour or so of my life wiping, and ultimately abandoning, every time the alliance gets to him.

If it means even a chance of seeing a bit less crystal tower and a bit more Ivalice, then I'm all for it.

[Mansion]

I don't get the Orbonne hate outside of it being potentially the longest to clear of all Alliance Raids.
I see WAY more wipes on Dun Scaith whenever I get it. Even when Orbonne was relevant, I've had a few wipes here and there but never got an abandon vote for it. We always made it in the end... Since 5.0, I've had it perhaps 5 or 6 times on Alliance Roulette, and it went even better.

[Samosa]

I imagine since completing Ivalice is required for the new Relic weapon they didn't want to gate people from getting it by having to clear something that has a reputation for being "difficult".

[Flay_wind]

I imagine since completing Ivalice is required for the new Relic weapon they didn't want to gate people from getting it by having to clear something that has a reputation for being "difficult".

And relic is actually optional content. Which is going to get outdated anyway.

[SturmChurro]

I was making some jokes about this raid yesterday in some thread. They actually are nerfing it huh? What a world.

sadly, SE cares a lot about players who cannot press more than one button at a time

I thought this was an idle game!

[Sove92]

Being locked at a level doesn't seem to affect the gear stats however. The tower climb wouldn't be so trivial otherwise - poor Phlegethon can't even get off a second Ancient Flare these days because THAT's how much the gear stats have trivialized him. To say nothing of how Cloud of Darkness has entire mechanics that just aren't seen anymore for the same reason - remember the worms? I haven't seen them since mid-HW and these days she dies almost immediately after the alliance split. Poor Ozma barely even tickles these days. Almost every alliance raid eventually gets trivialized for this reason and the SB raids will be no different unless SE actually does something to change it.

No, Being synced to lv70 will sync your gear to i405 and it does affect gear stats. The reason old raids are so power creeped has two reasons. One is the buffs your rotation skills have had over the years and the changes to damage calculations. Ozma doesn't hit much because all accessories now have Vitality in them. The other reasons is that most bosses in ARR raids never had good HP tuning to begin with. King Behemoth, Scylla, The Guardian and Cloud of Darkness were especially bad with this.

King Behemoth's tower mechanic has been ignored since the SCoB tier.
Scylla and the Guardian both were easily killable before their significant mechanics go off by FCoB tier.
Cloud of Darkness's worm adds were already an uncommon sight by the time pretty much everyone had i130 gear. The reason for that has more to do with a bad design choice of making her stoneskins very easy to break during the cloud phase. It was easy to push her below the point the worms no longer spawn before HW already.

When SE adjusts action potencies, it always has a detrimental effect on older content, it's inevitable, and it has hit ARR and HW raids especially hard. However, SE has learned and SB raid bosses have quite high HP values and were future proofed enough that Rabanastre didn't just keel over in i400.

[Kobalos]

Aye I thought it was unnecessary as well

[Fhaerron]

It was needed.


During the time I was lvl-ing all my jobs to 80 I've had over 50 wipes in Orbonne before I lost my count. And I just did alliance roulette once / day.
You only need a handful of people not knowing how to play in there and they will mess up CiD usually not standing in the Duskblade circle and causing a wipe to the whole alliance and moving to the wrong safe spot and not dps-ing the ice-wolves and also causing an alliance wipe.


Now, when you have those people in your group you can just keep on and heal trough it and be done with it.

[Sheli54]

I don't get why they nerfed Orbonne lmao. And I don't understand people who are saying "lol it was necessary". If you stopped ilvl cheese the 24-man raid roulettes, maybe you would have learned earlier how to handle mechanics on Orbonne. And iirc my last run on Orbonne, we already get the Echo from the start.

So no, it wasn't necessary.