SMN Why don't we hear about egi glamours anymore?

[Nemekh]

I just wish Square would lean back into Sholar/Summoner being true pet classes again instead of removing it :/

Not unless they overhaul the pet system entirely. I'm gathering a bunch of material to make a thread later about the disaster that pets have been from the past up to now. The pet system is fundamentally broken, especially for SCH and SMN. As Jenna above mentioned pets in MMOs are typically wonky, but in XIV they're among the worst I've ever played with.

[Dyvid]

Not unless they overhaul the pet system entirely. I'm gathering a bunch of material to make a thread later about the disaster that pets have been from the past up to now. The pet system is fundamentally broken, especially for SCH and SMN. As Jenna above mentioned pets in MMOs are typically wonky, but in XIV they're among the worst I've ever played with.

Ironically this is the best they played since inception.

The be fair, pet classes are always super wonky in MMOs. You have to make crazy allowances for them in regards to mechanics and AoEs and pathing and so on, to the point where it's more trouble than it's worth. Pet classes are super cool in theory but insanely hard for the dev team to manage.

You should have seen it back in '13. Egi's died left and right from AoE's to the point SE had to just make them immune to it lol

[Brightamethyst]

You should have seen it back in '13. Egi's died left and right from AoE's to the point SE had to just make them immune to it lol

Ha ha. I remember it vividly. I have very unfond memories of 2.0 egis.

[Nemekh]

I wouldn't say this is the best they've played when you consider ghosts, action dupes and pets outright delaying/forgetting their Pet Order commands. The main QoL is that they can't die to cleaves and cleave busters anymore and that you can place them by a boss without aggroing and that all is big, but functionally in other regards, they've gotten worse. Just ask the Scholars.

[Shiroe]

Let smn/sch use minions as egi-glamour.. (wont matter if their attacks are not animated, there are plenty workaround for that)

[Burningskull]

I think the best way to rework smn would be to remove egis altogether. Have a Carby, Ifrit, Titan, and Garuda phase just like you do Bahamut and Pheonix phase. Make it so you have to rotate through Carby, Ifrit, Titan and Garuda to get a Bahamut or Pheonix phase that way all your summons are useful.

[Silverquick]

I think the best way to rework smn would be to remove egis altogether. Have a Carby, Ifrit, Titan, and Garuda phase just like you do Bahamut and Pheonix phase. Make it so you have to rotate through Carby, Ifrit, Titan and Garuda to get a Bahamut or Pheonix phase that way all your summons are useful.

Won't happen.

They would have to scrap, then reshoot and revoice, and re-balance the entire Summoner questline all the way up the levels. On top of that Summoner DPS is balanced throughout ALL campaigns up to this point. (well ok its a little too weak at lower levels)

And last but not least, if they do that, they will make Summoner little more than a glorified Black Mage clone.

Right now the two play completely different. SMN has DoTs plus Pets acting as DoTs to create an underlayer of damage upon which all other damage is stacked. It just looks flashy, but that's really how it plays. Its not a Nuker.

BLM is the Nuker, the straight up Direct Damage Specialist using one big hit to take out enemies. SMN remains the death from a thousand cuts all put together Job.

They could do something like that with the Demi Summons, but not the Egis.

[Seraphor]

So there's time and resources for parasols...

[Ultimatecalibur]

So there's time and resources for parasols...

Parasols are something accessible to players of all jobs while an egi glamour system would only be to the benefit of players of one job unless DRK, MCH and SCH also get to use the system to customize their pets. Usable by all jobs has more priority over usable by only 1 or few jobs.

[Ramura_Sono]

So there's time and resources for parasols...

A better comparison is " There was time and resources for performance...".