It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Bright-Flower]

I agree that you can't really compare FFXIV environment with actual real life office environment.
Why even you guys arguing about this lol?

BTW can we go back to discussing how this actually going to be implemented and it's effect on performance etc?

We can only really theorize on its effects on performance. Only the dev team would have a solid grasp on how they would implement it and what effects that would have on the game with specific knowledge of FFXIV's code and servers in mind. We can only guess as to whether or not having to dynamically show or hide glams in populated areas would cause performance issues or not.

[Fland]

Implementing such a feature contrary to the direction developers want to go

They also need to consider the effect on business/marketing side. Regardless on how they implement this, there might be some journalist later on making an article about how "Square Enix is allowing it's player to censor other people's look" or something along those lines.

We can only really theorize on its effects on performance. Only the dev team would have a solid grasp on how they would implement it and what effects that would have on the game with specific knowledge of FFXIV's code and servers in mind. We can only guess as to whether or not having to dynamically show or hide glams in populated areas would cause performance issues or not.

Yeah I'm just curious and hoping that maybe there are others here who are more familiar about how this thing works in general / other mmos and can give their take on this feature on FFXIV.
I'm mostly indifferent about this feature, but if implementing this feature could make SE looking into how they could improve their spaghetti code the game performance then I'm all for it.

[Kohl]

They also need to consider the effect on business/marketing side. Regardless on how they implement this, there might be some journalist later on making an article about how "Square Enix is allowing it's player to censor other people's look" or something along those lines.

I tried to make this point earlier, but I wasn't so succinct.

[Theodric]

As mentioned earlier on in the thread, the situation surrounding the missing genders for Viera and Hrothgar was a much bigger controversy and didn't cause much in the way of negative press. Nor did it impact the success of Shadowbringers as the game itself is more popular than ever before. So I doubt very much that something as innocent as the proposed toggle that this thread brings up would become a huge scandal.

If you're concerned about such issues, though, do be sure to encourage gaming journalists not to make click-bait articles designed to stir up controversy and frame requests as something worse than they are.

[Awha]

I do know of mods that do alter what other characters look like by removing items, though I have never used it myself so I am not 100% certain to what impact it does have on the performance, though I have ran the HD texture mod for the game install, faces, models, items, and body hair, plus custom gear and general performance seems fine, but I do have a non standard rig. Also not sure how if it would play nice with ps4 support.

In terms of pc only, it in theory should not be all that hard to make client side modfication that puts everyone expect the primary character in a standard set of gear (say a black hooded robe) across the board, since removing items is possible. Reason I say the black robes is becase they take up multiple slots for single item.

Though I will have to look into it, I am not sure if the mod that alters other characters removes the items all together or replaces them with a modifed armor that adds the desire texture over it to create the illusion desired.

[Granyala]

Sure but an adventurer isn't a lawyer, an adventurer isn't adhering to a dress code, especially when glamour exists in the story. And by the time you're slaying primals at level 20, nobody's going to kick you out because you show up in a frog suit.

Except you would not survive the fight against a primal in a frog suit.
Which is the core of the problem for the people that find it immersion breaking.

I am not entirely sure how deeply glamor is rooted in actual lore and how much of it is gameplay>story for the sake of the player.

I do know of mods that do alter what other characters look like by removing items, though I have never used it myself so I am not 100% certain to what impact it does have on the performance, though I have ran the HD texture mod for the game install, faces, models, items, and body hair, plus custom gear and general performance seems fine, but I do have a non standard rig. Also not sure how if it would play nice with ps4 support.

No influence on performance whatsoever.
You are only exchanging one model for another, one texture for another. They don't differ drastically in polygon count.

HD textures only want more VRAM, a non issue, considering FF-XIV uses very little in the first place.

The "mod" (not a mod in the traditional sense) that has a significant performance impact would be Re-Shade.

[Awha]

Except you would not survive the fight against a primal in a frog suit.
Which is the core of the problem for the people that find it immersion breaking.

I am not entirely sure how deeply glamor is rooted in actual lore and how much of it is gameplay>story for the sake of the player.


No influence on performance whatsoever.
You are only exchanging one model for another, one texture for another. They don't differ drastically in polygon count.

HD textures only want more VRAM, a non issue, considering FF-XIV uses very little in the first place.

The "mod" (not a mod in the traditional sense) that has a significant performance impact would be Re-Shade.

I know the general sense they have little to no impact, unless user error comes into play. Nevertheless, with FFXIV I was unsure with how this game seems to be coded, it might lead to some impact on performance especially on the PS4, but since I never ran that mod I did not want to assume the same to be true as the visual alteration mods in say WoW. That is good to know that it has no impact.

Lol in general it is hard for me to judge performance caused by mods since I often have many programs running at the sametime because I am weird, and do not like waiting queues or find story / normal mode content boring so I tab into different game often while playing FFXIV, this game does have a lot of downtime now that I think about it. Though it is helpful when I end up healing a single pull tank but yeah.

[Granyala]

especially on the PS4

I'm not sure if mods on PS4 are even possible, since they would require access to the games archives in order to modify / add entries.
Re-Shade surely won't work on consoles.

[Bright-Flower]

Except you would not survive the fight against a primal in a frog suit.
Which is the core of the problem for the people that find it immersion breaking.

I am not entirely sure how deeply glamor is rooted in actual lore and how much of it is gameplay>story for the sake of the player.


No influence on performance whatsoever.
You are only exchanging one model for another, one texture for another. They don't differ drastically in polygon count.

HD textures only want more VRAM, a non issue, considering FF-XIV uses very little in the first place.

The "mod" (not a mod in the traditional sense) that has a significant performance impact would be Re-Shade.

But you can survive fighting a primal if you glamour a frog suit onto your armor. Glamour exists in setting.

They even come up in the msq now and then like when M'naago glamours the flag on the top of the big bridge in the Fringes to make the imperial forces think the Rebels have already taken it, tricking them into retreating.

And even then, is fighting a primal in a frog suit really any more silly than tanking Susano in the Shisui gear from the same level?

[Awha]

I'm not sure if mods on PS4 are even possible, since they would require access to the games archives in order to modify / add entries.
Re-Shade surely won't work on consoles.

That is true, and I do think ps4 would be the major limiting factor from a technical standpoint regarding this option, and making it fuction as a basic toggle. That is why I think for the feature to be added it would have to pretty basic all or nothing and the preset outfit has to be something simple, and not very selective.