It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Awha]

The whole thing. It's weird. I know there are creeps online whenever they here a girl's voice on the internet, but some of these people go really far. Frankly, those guys are really annoying. Anyway I was getting at how there are people who act like their character is actually an extension of themselves, like second life. Treat the game like it's reality. Sure, I have had some guild drama in the past, and I am a person who likes to argue for arguing's sake, and I usually just say what's on my mind at that very second, but there's a line there. People need to seperate the game from real life. They are not one and the same.

If people were able to do that I suspect a lot of video game drama between players would cease to exist.

What you said is one of the reasons I had a fall out with a friend, his girlfriend at the time was part of a prominent rp guild in tor, doing warzone with them one night she was healing add asked why people were focusing her, I mentioned it was because she was thicc, and people be thirsty (body type 4 for females had some massive thighs) after that he started to ghost me, and when I asked he told me I made her feel uncomfortable with my comment about her character because she IRL suffered from body shamming issues.

In my personal opinion reason some people take offense is because they do what this girl did and project aspects of their own self into their character and thus gain a level of attachment that lends them to getting hurt based on comments about the character especially when said comments remidn them of personal issues they face IRL. I do not understand it either, and to this day that whole interaction bugs me out, what can you do.

[SturmChurro]

Some players have suggested that if glam removal comes to the game, then a person using it should have some sort of visual tag attached to them so that others know they have hidden glams. If that comes to the game even that tag would say something about that player, as would the absence of the tag.

I feel that glam removal is a sensitive topic because some people are not comfortable with the idea that another person can remove things they feel define themselves a lot. It would especially sting if a player's character has visual aspects of themselves that society would normally shun them for. It can make a person feel that not even in games do they have the freedom to be themselves without someone denying that people like them do or should be permitted to exist.

You don't have to worry, from the start I have always thought this thread's suggestion was worthless; a stupid feature. People shouldn't be fooled by the size of this thread, I think it's idea and all posts herein are without merit, and half of them I think are literally just to get a rise out of others. I like making stupid replies, nonsensical posts, and ridiculous statements as much as anyone else here, but people need to step back from this thread, and game(s) to reevaluate their online interactions.

If people were able to do that I suspect a lot of video game drama between players would cease to exist.

What you said is one of the reasons I had a fall out with a friend, his girlfriend at the time was part of a prominent rp guild in tor, doing warzone...

Warzones... Oh my God! Those bring back so many memories! A friend and I would queue together, and we were known as being extremely toxic, just as everyone else was toxic with us, we would go in there and outperform most others so we earned that right. We were known on that server for a time, that and a few other extremely toxic pvp clans would see eachother all the time and talk SO MUCH poop to eachother God, those days were hilarious. Made a lot of friends. My friend had to get his name changed a couple time, because people kept reporting him. Never got banned for anything we said. Dude, that and Imperial Fleet my god the chat there. I wonder how many people were like your friends GF and quit over what we said! Haha! I can imagine right now even trying to chat what we did in-game over here... BOOM! Banned!.. Sigh.. Also, I played sage/sorc heals there, just as I play white mage primarily here. Healers would always get focused in warzones.... because they were healers. Where was I going with this again?

[Awha]

You don't have to worry, from the start I have always thought this thread's suggestion was worthless; a stupid feature. People shouldn't be fooled by the size of this thread, I think it's idea and all posts herein are without merit, and half of them I think are literally just to get a rise out of others. I like making stupid replies, nonsensical posts, and ridiculous statements as much as anyone else here, but people need to step back from this thread, and game(s) to reevaluate their online interactions.

Warzones... Oh my God! Those bring back so many memories! A friend and I would queue together, and we were known as being extremely toxic, just as everyone else was toxic with us, we would go in there and outperform most others so we earned that right. We were known on that server for a time, that and a few other extremely toxic pvp clans would see eachother all the time and talk SO MUCH poop to eachother God, those days were hilarious. Made a lot of friends. My friend had to get his name changed a couple time, because people kept reporting him. Never got banned for anything we said. Dude, that and Imperial Fleet my god the chat there. I wonder how many people were like your friends GF and quit over what we said! Haha! I can imagine right now even trying to chat what we did in-game over here... BOOM! Banned!.. Sigh.. Also, I played sage/sorc heals there, just as I play white mage primarily here. Healers would always get focused in warzones.... because they were healers. Where was I going with this again?

Yeah, TOR had an interesting pvp community. I got a lot of shit because I honestly did not care much for objectives I would just go to pad my numbers with friends and when people would call us out we were one of those groups that would ask them to queue 4's, people use to hate going against us because we use to run hard swap comps, or double AP cheese. Fleet was always fun people would take things extremely personal.

Also in the grand scheme I am sure most the people that are for the idea can live without the idea, and probably for the most part did not even consider it as a possible idea from the beginning.From the start I knew this would never happened and have just been talking about it because I personally do view the reasoning behind why some people that are against it as odd to say the least. For most I do think this thread was simply an interesting conversation point, but it turned into something else as the time went on.

Easy solution for this matter is answering a simple question:

Do you have in RL the courage to approach a stranger on the street and tell them "Please, get dressed properly, because I can't stand your current outfit." (or something similar matching your personality)?

For all the brave souls responding with "Yes!", I'd say you deserve the option to turn off glamour on other players.

For those who don't have the courage, though...
You cannot click your fingers and magically make a horrible outfit of another person disappear in RL, so why should you have that ability in a game, when you're unable to even ask another human being in front of you to do something about their look?

In general, from my own perspective, the thing about glamour is how you express yourself - same goes for clothes in RL, thus I don't find it really fair to ignore other people's efforts just because some players let their characters wear questionable outfits. I for one see thousands of beautiful glamours, while only crossing paths with very bad ideas once or twice a month, which is why I wouldn't use that option even if it existed. -.-

Also, for everybody who'd like to have the option:
You DO realize, that people wear sometimes stuff that isn't entirely the same set, yes? Miss-matched outfits would be something you'd often have to see when turning off glamour; ergo, that'll be something you better shouldn't complain about. But in case staying tame would be no problem for you, I hope SE hears your wish and implements it in the future. =U.U=

In the end I personally try to keep the game world and the real world as far apart as possible, hell I get annoyed when I have guildies talk about work and shit in chat. IRL I deal with a lot of weird shit due to various reasons, and in the game world I view it just as that the game world which has different norms, and customs. I do get annoyed when people project RL issues into the game world, since I perosnally play this game to avoid the real world I get enough of that daily. Granted I still avoid people like the plague in this game, because I generally cannot stand people and this notion has gotten me in trouble ever since I was a child since I would be that person that made comments about what people wore, acted, etc . . . in public. I do not have much of an impulse control sometimes my girl has to hit me under the table or slap upside my head when we are in public cause I lack tact at times.

Though in RL I can see that as a issue, in a game I cannot since we are using the game for different reasons but at the core I am sure many of us are using it as a form of entertainment and I do not view characters as people even if someone is controlling them behind the scenes I do not think ones character has personal rights so to speak. That is probably why when I started to online gaming and people would tell me to kill myself, or made fun of my voice or mocked my way of speech I just shrugged it off because I was taught to not view online interaction is a proper medium for personal interaction. That is probably also why I feel more comfortable in an online game because at the core unless I break the law I can always hit the reset button and have another wack at it. I was permanently banned from a game for abusing an invisible / non target glitch and showed a bunch of people how to do it and we would run around and kill people for days and they could only damage us with AoE, and at the time AoE was not as prevalent.

In my opinion cannot see a game world as the real world because the game world lacks real consequences, and when people take things that are said and done in a game personally due to irl reasons that is silly imo. Hell people like to throw around sperg an use autism as an insult and my people that know me tell others to chill with it, and I am fine with it because it is just a game. Though when people try to use that as an insult at me irl then I annoyed. So for me irl and the game world are two different things.

In the end I am all for more options that can enhance personal experience of players, if someone wants to an option to hide the true master race, then I say go for it I will not mind. In the in more contorl players have over what they see and interact with maybe just maybe we could limit the unpleasant interactions people have that lead to drama around outcry in the game world.