SE thanks for making this event not gender locked

[Reinha]

(Unless you think I can't count that dudes get 3 flowers compared to the female 5 ... or tell that these flowers are fairly different flowers ...).

Well this event did it right because players like the female version, duh. Same with Moonfire Happis and Songbird Attire. It's never been about gender locking, just envy.

[reivaxe]

To a degree, yes.

No, it's literally just making design changes to make something look more appealing/ nature for a gender.
Like how they recently talked about how they make changes to helms to make them more suited for which ever race you're playing (They used the Edencall Helm of Fending as a example, showing just how much it changes if you're playing a human vs a lala/ elezen or kitty)

The devs actually take gender aesthetics into consideration when making things work for them.

(I haven't seen the male version of it yet, besides what could be seen on the icon picture, but the flowers didn't look that different.)

Dudes get completely different flowers and 2 whole less flowers. The dude flowers have narrow petals that show off more of the hair behind the flowers as well as the branch like pin part.
And ya know what? It looks better on them than the default version would without any changes ... which is why they do this kinda stuff.

Well this event did it right because players like the female version, duh. Same with Moonfire Happis and Songbird Attire. It's never been about gender locking, just envy.

Pretty much what I've been trying to get at. Like the flower crown ...
"Dudes get some extra prema blue flowers on their flower crown and are able to change the color of the pink flowers unlike the female version to make it look more traditionally male looking? WHHHHY?!?!".
Yet having almost the same thing happen here but liking the female version means it is alllll gooooood lol, these forums are a trip.

[PyurBlue]

And ya know what? It looks better on them than the default version would without any changes ... which is why they do this kinda stuff.

What looks better or not is personal preference, so there is no reason for them to do this kind of stuff at all, at least when it comes to aesthetics.

[reivaxe]

What looks better or not is personal preference, so there is no reason for them to do this kind of stuff at all, at least when it comes to aesthetics.

There are design principals that are not ruled by personal preference. Personal Pref refers to what YOU like on a personal level, doesn't mean things can't properly play towards an aesthetic to make a more pleasing visual.

They make changes to things to match the aesthetics of the model/ race/ gender the item is showing on.

If you don't think this flower pin plays better with the male aesthetic than this flower then that's your opinion and IDK how to help you. The Devs who know design clearly thought it works better that way and I see their logic and agree with their call.

The reason they "do this kinda stuff" is so that people who play males can have things that look good on them, flow well with their design and look like what a guy would wear even if it's traditionally seen as female focused. So that they can put on an item and feel good about how it looks on their character. So yeah, making the changes they did made it look like something a dude might wear as opposed to something designed just for girls or women that HAPPENS to be slapped on a dude.

[PyurBlue]

If you don't think this flower pin plays better with the male aesthetic than this flower then that's your opinion and IDK how to help you. The Devs who know design clearly thought it works better that way and I see their logic and agree with their call.

No one needs help with their opinions. The female version does look better on males and vice versa if that is what someone thinks.

The reason they "do this kinda stuff" is so that people who play males can have things that look good on them, flow well with their design and look like what a guy would wear even if it's traditionally seen as female focused.

If each flower piece was its own glam and a player could choose which to use, none of this would be lost. Flow has nothing to do with locking glams. It's either about purposely restricting choice or lessening the work that the devs have to do. It's their game so either is fair, but there is no benefit to locking glams.

[reivaxe]

No one needs help with their opinions. The female version does look better on males and vice versa if that is what someone thinks.

Don't think you understand what I'm saying. I'm saying I can't help your understanding of aesthetics and design as it's a topic too grand for these post.

If each flower piece was its own glam and a player could choose which to use, none of this would be lost.

Why though?
Why does every model with any differences need to be wearable by everyone?
Does this go for race to?
Does a boy elezen need to be able to wear the helm of a boy kitty?

Flow has nothing to do with locking glams. It's either about purposely restricting choice or lessening the work that the devs have to do. It's their game so either is fair, but there is no benefit to locking glams.

.... Wut are you even talking about anymore?
I was trying to explain why the version on the male was made to look that way (cause it looks like something a guy might want to wear that looks good on them.) So because they made changes to a design to make it look good on dudes they have to then allow females to use that exact same model?

[Penthea]

If you don't think this flower pin plays better with the male aesthetic than this flower then that's your opinion and IDK how to help you. The Devs who know design clearly thought it works better that way and I see their logic and agree with their call.

The reason they "do this kinda stuff" is so that people who play males can have things that look good on them, flow well with their design and look like what a guy would wear even if it's traditionally seen as female focused. So that they can put on an item and feel good about how it looks on their character. So yeah, making the changes they did made it look like something a dude might wear as opposed to something designed just for girls or women that HAPPENS to be slapped on a dude.

The problem with this is now that I have seen the male flower pin up close...I actually prefer it to the female version. But I can't access it unless I fantasia. Yay.

I don't like that the devs keep deciding what men and women should be wearing. Just let everyone wear what they want regardless of gender. Let everyone have the same choices in outfits no matter what their character is.

[Reinha]

Well this event did it right because players like the female version, duh. Same with Moonfire Happis and Songbird Attire. It's never been about gender locking, just envy.

The problem with this is now that I have seen the male flower pin up close...I actually prefer it to the female version. But I can't access it unless I fantasia. Yay.

I don't like that the devs keep deciding what men and women should be wearing. Just let everyone wear what they want regardless of gender. Let everyone have the same choices in outfits no matter what their character is.

Dammit, I spoke too soon.

[reivaxe]

And those design changes can drastically - and in the case of the crowns, arbitrarily - change how the item can be used.

I would in no way call the crown an arbitrarily change. The male crown having extra undyeable blue flowers makes it look decidedly more male presenting then the default one for the women and is likely a reference to how King and Queen Crowns differ in flare and size in pop culture.

If you don't like the female version that's fine ... but I don't really see the point in acting like it's this crime against fashion.

I agree there is a very long history of things being designed as "gender-tailored" counterparts, but there is no consistency between the degree of difference and whether they are presented as two gender-locked items or one unisex item that changes appearance.

e.g. the Moonfire Vest and Moonfire Halter are the exact same shirt with the necessary addition of a bikini top for the female version, but the single-item Endless Summer Top is entirely different based on character gender.

Glad to see you know the difference between a unisex item that changes based on gender and "gender locked" items that legit just can't be slotted onto the opposite gender ... as I was about to end this on that note (As in, I don't consider the crown or this flower pin or the new crafted gear Gender Locked).

As for trying to see the patterns or "logic" I feel you should step back and relax.
I can't possibly know exactly why the Moon Fire items are treated that way and the Endless Summer isn't but if I had to guess I'd say that the old AF Moonfire sets that came out around the time maps started being a thing were separated to bloat the the number of crafts to encourage more map running. Instead of being able to sell 1 item to males or females you would have to make 1 for males and one for females (twice the mats) ... and the main mat for those sets is used in 11 different crafts.
Endless Summer isn't in anyway connected to crafting, it's an event glam.
"But why do it with the Valentines day glam?"
IDK, maybe they figure in 2 years they might want to unlock that glam to. Maybe that's why the endless summer can go in the armoire but the Valentines day stuff can't, maybe they figured they wanted to stop filling the armoire with gender locked things now cause it's a hassle converting all that stuff when you change genders?

Who knows? Not really a big deal IMO, this game and the devs are always in a state of growth/ change.

Having had a better look at both versions of the peach corsage, the choice of different flowers is a bit strange but, as I wrote previously, the degree of difference is not the same. Both versions are pink and have the same overall shape. You dye it blue, and both versions turn blue.

You might not see a difference, but clearly a number of other people do.

I SEE a difference in the crowns and the flowers on them ... I just don't care. They are both Flower Crowns, you and "a number of other people" just LIKE one version more than the other and don't like that you can't wear it on females.

This current event hair pin has A-completely different Flowers on the male version and B- fewer flowers on the male version with allows for C- the ability to see more of the detail of the pin on the male version including a cool golden band. I can personally see how different they are and I would personally prefer the male version as it looks more mature and far less "princess" like (Tall AF Femroe with short hair. She doesn't dress like a dude at all but would def prefer the more mature look).

The reason you don't care about the differences is because you like the female version just fine the way it is. Which has been what I've been saying this whole time about people in here and their fake praise setting them up to fall the next time we get another "Valentines Day 2020" like event where they give dudes something really cool that females can't wear and give females .... something made for Lalas.

I would say the quest itself gives us reason to think that the rewards would be gendered. Look at how they're given out in the quest: peach corsages for the three girls (nothing for Hyuran Boy) and the monocle for Damielliot.

.....You could NOT have known what the quest would entail BEFORE you played it. The reveal of these items on social media didn't tell you 3 girls get X at the end of the quest and the Doctor Man gets Y and the lil boy gets nothing. O_o

That's what I was talking about, people seeing these items advertised online and thinking they were gender locked.

Dammit, I spoke too soon.

I like how me single-handedly pointing out the differences made a "Flower Crown 2.0" for some people lol!
It's always about envy, topic will sprout up again in no time.

[Iscah]

The problem with this is now that I have seen the male flower pin up close...I actually prefer it to the female version. But I can't access it unless I fantasia. Yay.

I think it's an inevitability once they add the two versions - some people will look at it and think the other version looks better, because there's a choice there to be made (of preference if not access).

If there was simply one corsage design and one monocle design, nobody would think anything of it.

Two separate flower designs just seems like extra work for minimal benefit.

I don't feel like the designs are different enought to worry about them being different or not having access to the other one, but then it just seems strange for them to do it to begin with. (Maybe if they already had the flowers modelled from something else and just have to stick them in place?)

Also, the Lord's Suikan - a reward from a previous year's LLD event if I'm not mistaken - has peach blossoms on it, so the female corsage would match it better than the male design with the star-shaped flowers.

On a side note, does anyone know what the flowers on the male corsage actually are? Is it just what the peach blossoms look like as they're opening up, or is it some other flower they've picked (or invented) instead?