Cataclysm weapons: SEVEN WEEKS!?

[BluexBird]

If you were seeing any of hades phases enrage after maybe week one your group's dps was just hilariously bad. None of his checks were particularly tight, and once you got his mechanics down, they were also a joke. None of his mechanics were even particularly new either. Attacking the right aspected adds, getting hit with the appropriate elemental attacks, doom, reverse-doom, knockbacks, stacks, and exaflares? All seen in previous fights, whether they were extremes, savages, or even normal modes.

Haha it was even worse! I started playing again 3 weeks before the last patch came out. And it was still a huge struggle to get my weapon. I think I had an easier time farming Titan than I did Hades, even though I had to do it 8 times because the game hates me. If you say the DPS check wasn't so bad, then I'm honestly confused with how none of the farm parties I joined couldn't kill it until just before the enrage cast ended.

Also, it doesn't matter if the mechanics become easy once you practice. When you're up joining parties in PF, you never know the type of players you're gonna get. Mistakes happen, and they're extra frustrating considering you have to redo the whole fight.

[Vidu]

Haha it was even worse! I started playing again 3 weeks before the last patch came out. And it was still a huge struggle to get my weapon. I think I had an easier time farming Titan than I did Hades, even though I had to do it 8 times because the game hates me. If you say the DPS check wasn't so bad, then I'm honestly confused with how none of the farm parties I joined couldn't kill it until just before the enrage cast ended.

Also, it doesn't matter if the mechanics become easy once you practice. When you're up joining parties in PF, you never know the type of players you're gonna get. Mistakes happen, and they're extra frustrating considering you have to redo the whole fight.

My guess here would be that part of your struggle is because you came back so "late": Most of the skilled and well geared people were already done with Hades when you returned and started farming him - this is why its important that they keep content relevant through artificial means like time-gates and the like. Because if they dont everyone who doesnt get their clears done within the first 3-4 weeks after release struggles with finding parties that are able to clear/farm the content or finding parties at all (til waaaay later when everyone outgears the fight by miles).

When I first started farming Hades after release the dps-checks were something you didnt really notice - wipes only happend when tanks missed their meteors. During the last weeks before the new patch I was very glad that I had farmed my 99 tokens already, because the party-quality went down quite a bit - and thats no surprise: E4 was farmable at this point and everyone able to beat that went there for extra weapons. Which left the less... skilled and geared people in Hades parties - I had the pleasure of seeing dps with Titania weapons who must have missed the whole crafted and deepshadow options or thought that Hades would offer them an easy upgrade.
And thats not the first time I've experienced something like this - I've basically made a rule for myself to either farm a primal straight away OR wait 1-2 years til its so easy that it doesnt even matter anymore that your party memembers dont know how to press more than two buttons.
Right now - or right before the patch - we were in an unfortunate spot for Hades.

[Granyala]

If you say the DPS check wasn't so bad, then I'm honestly confused with how none of the farm parties I joined couldn't kill it until just before the enrage cast ended.

Because 90% of the community is simply put: incompetent.
A harsh thing to say, I know but even in expert dungeons, it is so rare to get a group that plays at a reasonable level compared to what the classes are capable of.


SE knows this and it is the reason why Normal mode encounters have no enrage timers.

[RyuSaarva]

Because 90% of the community is simply put: incompetent.
A harsh thing to say, I know but even in expert dungeons, it is so rare to get a group that plays at a reasonable level compared to what the classes are capable of.


SE knows this and it is the reason why Normal mode encounters have no enrage timers.

the do have enrages actually.

[Penthea]

the do have enrages actually.

I don't know about the current Eden normal tier, not done it enough times. I do know that E1 has an enrage mechanic with the adds. Many normal mode bosses throughout the game have enrage timers. It's just rare that they cause an issue after week 3 because by then most people know what to do so they die less, which means less dps loss.

[Flay_wind]

I don't know about the current Eden normal tier, not done it enough times. I do know that E1 has an enrage mechanic with the adds. Many normal mode bosses throughout the game have enrage timers. It's just rare that they cause an issue after week 3 because by then most people know what to do so they die less, which means less dps loss.

I won't call it an enrage, more of a DPS check without a meter really. There's a similar thing in E7.

[Granyala]

the do have enrages actually.

I'm assuming you refer to the usual "Smack them adds or they smack you" gearcheck?
I was talking about hard enrages and I haven't seen any in years.

[ForteNightshade]

Not a seven weeks time investment. In many of these such games it can take seven minutes to get one if you know what you're doing. Obviously it shouldn't be that simple in a game like this, but seven weeks is excessive. There is absolutely no reason for stuff in a game that gets discarded after 3/6 months like yesterday's trash to take that long to obtain.

The point is that people want to see their characters improve regardless of whether they're doing the game's hardest content, so trying to deride people by saying "well you're not a raider, so you don't need this" is a stupid, flimsy argument. Whether they "need" something is completely irrelevant. Likewise, getting an ultimate weapon after beating a game's hardest content would seem silly to some. What's the point of having that when there's nothing left in the game to challenge you anymore? But that doesn't stop people from wanting it anyway, now does it?

The intent is to prolong the lifespan of other weapons. Let's also being real here. Tome weapons are pretty much effortless. Outside of capping each week, you have to beat Shiva Normal—not a difficult task by any means. If you could buy a tome weapon in 3-4 weeks. That all but kills any reason to farm EX Primals or buy crafted weapons. Seven weapons is roughly 1/3 of the tier cycle. So that tome weapon is going to last you quite a while.

Haha it was even worse! I started playing again 3 weeks before the last patch came out. And it was still a huge struggle to get my weapon. I think I had an easier time farming Titan than I did Hades, even though I had to do it 8 times because the game hates me. If you say the DPS check wasn't so bad, then I'm honestly confused with how none of the farm parties I joined couldn't kill it until just before the enrage cast ended.

Also, it doesn't matter if the mechanics become easy once you practice. When you're up joining parties in PF, you never know the type of players you're gonna get. Mistakes happen, and they're extra frustrating considering you have to redo the whole fight.

This is because the crop of players attempting Titan Savage are likely far better than those going into EX Primals. Not to mention, people will look up logs when it comes to Savage. And they may even remove players obviously struggling outside fresh learning parties. Comparatively speaking, Hades' DPS check is hilariously easier than Titan's. You could afford deaths in Hades and carry bad players through. It took several weeks for Titan to allow that. Even then, it still often resulted in a wipe.

Ruby Weapon is, frankly, extremely disappointing in my opinion. It's DPS check is so laughably lenient, you barely require a pulse. My first clear came with tons of deaths and I, the tank doing more damage—in full i470 gear—doing more damage than most of the DPS.