It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Barachim]

This gets my vote. The classic Fantasy feeling doesn't stand a chance, when you've got Kermit the Frog in your party.



So if I could get the option to turn other people's glamours off on my end, that'd be great.

[Dan4077]

This gets my vote. The classic Fantasy feeling doesn't stand a chance, when you've got Kermit the Frog in your party.



So if I could get the option to turn other people's glamours off on my end, that'd be great.

Never, waste of time for just a select few that get triggered over weird outfits. Not to mention kermit the frog is a fantasy character hes made up lmao. I do not like the idea of being able to block glamour most people armors are completely mismatched so unless square puts everyone to default look so everyone will look the same (even characters looks) that is the only way ive seen a feature implemented. It would take WAY too much processing power to strip people of their glam put them in the armor they have equipped, especially for PS4s that can barely run in limsa for fn sakes. Get use to it cause come the next Easter event something else is going to come out. do you like bugs bunny, sure hope so lmfao!

[Krotoan]

It would take WAY too much processing power to strip people of their glam put them in the armor they have equipped, especially for PS4s that can barely run in limsa for fn sakes.

... I'm curious.. Why do you think so? How do you think your PS4 knows what to draw on people or where to put them on your screen?

[Dan4077]

... I'm curious.. Why do you think so? How do you think your PS4 knows what to draw on people or where to put them on your screen?

It is not that I think so, it is that I KNOW so. The one person was saying that they would like to add a person to a sort of blacklist and that would strip the glamour off to default gear. That would be more for the system to load up and remember. So depending on how much a person used it think of what that does.

Now the original posters idea COULD be worked with. There is a way to just make everyone into a default look and it would actually save you load time, fps so on. But that right there would completely wash their "my immersion" argument down the drain. Cause PWI did was when you toggled it everyone in game would look like the default starter of each race before they started customizing it. So idk about them but that sounds a lot more immersion breaking then seeing the occasional weird outfit.

[Awha]

It is not that I think so, it is that I KNOW so. The one person was saying that they would like to add a person to a sort of blacklist and that would strip the glamour off to default gear. That would be more for the system to load up and remember. So depending on how much a person used it think of what that does.

Now the original posters idea COULD be worked with. There is a way to just make everyone into a default look and it would actually save you load time, fps so on. But that right there would completely wash their "my immersion" argument down the drain. Cause PWI did was when you toggled it everyone in game would look like the default starter of each race before they started customizing it. So idk about them but that sounds a lot more immersion breaking then seeing the occasional weird outfit.

Thing about the immersion argument is that we cannot say beyond what they have told us would or would not view as immersion breaking. Being as that was their idea it would be unfair in my opinion to make the claim it would it ruin their immersion since maybe in their mind it would not be much of an issue.

Personally I think the best way to approach this is in the same way we view blacklisting, lanague filters, performance muting etc . . . as a means of enhancing the personal enjoyment for others if they so desire to enable such features. If one puts the personal issues aside and look at it from that scope the idea is not so radical, like you mentioned another game did it to ehance performance, not 100% certain how it worked but that does seem like a feature that could enhance ones personal enjoyment of a game.

[Dan4077]

Thing about the immersion argument is that we cannot say beyond what they have told us would or would not view as immersion breaking. Being as that was their idea it would be unfair in my opinion to make the claim it would it ruin their immersion since maybe in their mind it would not be much of an issue.

Personally I think the best way to approach this is in the same way we view blacklisting, lanague filters, performance muting etc . . . as a means of enhancing the personal enjoyment for others if they so desire to enable such features. If one puts the personal issues aside and look at it from that scope the idea is not so radical, like you mentioned another game did it to ehance performance, not 100% certain how it worked but that does seem like a feature that could enhance ones personal enjoyment of a game.

Understandable, how it worked though was say you were creating a new character. Like a human it always gives you a default look. That game would change all the characters to look like that with the same clothes. Also true they might not find it lure breaking. However, for me and apparently others being seen in there glamours is just as important to them as wearing it. People like to look cool and nice not to mention role play, and their characters look is a deep part of that. Its part of the allure of an MMORPG for many.

Some care some don't.

[Awha]

Understandable, how it worked though was say you were creating a new character. Like a human it always gives you a default look. That game would change all the characters to look like that with the same clothes. Also true they might not find it lure breaking. However, for me and apparently others being seen in there glamours is just as important to them as wearing it. People like to look cool and nice not to mention role play, and their characters look is a deep part of that. Its part of the allure of an MMORPG for many.

Some care some don't.

I do understand that for many that is the alure of mmos, but just like those other features (blacklisting, performance muting, effects, language filters) that are meant to give players more control over their own personal gameplay experience at the expense of others personal expression. In the end, outside of three situtions I can think of, you catch them streaming with your character on screen, you find a screen shot that happens to have your character, or they happen to mention they had said feature enabled.

I am into moding, so I have a bias but way I see it personally if I mod the game to turn characters on my screen into a certain NPC that change should not detract from anothers enjoyment, since in the end I find it silly to allow something like that detract from ones enjoyment since that would mean that the person in question would have to make the assumption that a person is using mods or a feature to alter the way their character looks and as such it does not matter what their character looks like. Seems like a massive limit one would place on themselvs simply based off an asumption.

In the end I have not messed around much with other character mods, but I do know of people that have done some wonky stuff client side. Granted I know this will never happen, but I enjoy talking about the topic, and if I had any control over it I would make it all or nothing and if it was enabled I would put everyone beside the pimary player char in a basic black robe or something. All-in-all I am always one for more options that provide players with more agency that allows them to enhance their own personal expereince by altering social elements they may find bothersome for whatever reason, within reason of course. Now this is not to say that I think certain glam is inherent bad or anything like that, I am frog suit player myself. I just know for personal expereince that anything can be used as a means to harrass or bother another person, since I often mess around with my friends bothering others doing weird shit.

I know my stance can lead to some funky reductios.

[Krotoan]

It is not that I think so, it is that I KNOW so. The one person was saying that they would like to add a person to a sort of blacklist and that would strip the glamour off to default gear. That would be more for the system to load up and remember. So depending on how much a person used it think of what that does.

As they've never actually posted how the system works I'm having trouble believing that you KNOW so. I can base my theories on the way that I know OTHER games work though. So likely your system gets some very small streams of data to tell it what to show: flags for where the character is and what they're doing that update pretty constantly and then data for what to show them wearing which really only need to be sent occasionally. The AMOUNT of data being sent for appearances would never really change, no matter the system. It would either be sending flags for whatever glamour they have or if the client had the flags for "default" it would use whatever default there was set OR if there was a glamour stripping option it would just use the actual gear data. The blacklist would also likely be client side as there would be no need for the server to care, instead of reading the glamour data it would simply use the appearance data for the gear they were actually wearing, which is sent anyway. Not a particularly large change in back and forth and not particularly stressful on the system since it'd be loading the same amount of appearance data. It's not like it's loading the glamour, then unloading, then loading the base gear.

Now the original posters idea COULD be worked with. There is a way to just make everyone into a default look and it would actually save you load time, fps so on. But that right there would completely wash their "my immersion" argument down the drain. Cause PWI did was when you toggled it everyone in game would look like the default starter of each race before they started customizing it. So idk about them but that sounds a lot more immersion breaking then seeing the occasional weird outfit.

I've already tackled the "immersion" arguments on both sides and would rather not go into this again.

[Dan4077]

As they've never actually posted how the system works I'm having trouble believing that you KNOW so. I can base my theories on the way that I know OTHER games work though. So likely your system gets some very small streams of data to tell it what to show: flags for where the character is and what they're doing that update pretty constantly and then data for what to show them wearing which really only need to be sent occasionally. The AMOUNT of data being sent for appearances would never really change, no matter the system. It would either be sending flags for whatever glamour they have or if the client had the flags for "default" it would use whatever default there was set OR if there was a glamour stripping option it would just use the actual gear data. The blacklist would also likely be client side as there would be no need for the server to care, instead of reading the glamour data it would simply use the appearance data for the gear they were actually wearing, which is sent anyway. Not a particularly large change in back and forth and not particularly stressful on the system since it'd be loading the same amount of appearance data. It's not like it's loading the glamour, then unloading, then loading the base gear.



I've already tackled the "immersion" arguments on both sides and would rather not go into this again.

I am not reading threw over a 1000 posts to find your argument so saying this gets you no where at all. You say it or don't, just because you made some argument to another doesn't make it automatically valid because you don't want to repeat yourself, that is ridiculous.

Yes and all those readings of "flags" as you like to put it and changes it takes PROCESSING POWER. Now depending on how they do it, and how it works it can either be less stressful or more depending on added features such as having to read threw individual blacklisted glamours like some were asking for. I said I KNOW because this is an un-debatable fact on how computers work and a ps4 is just a computer with a different operating system. Anything the server does whether its loading characters trees glamour w.e takes processing power. If you add on to those processes it will either effect it in some way better or not. I did not specify ANY kind of glam block option I just said that for certain ones people were asking for it would take a lot for lower systems if you could go around blocking individual peoples glamours and parts. Plus all of this depends on how the glam option works if it replaces the code for the amour you are wearing it will read it as the glamour anyway. Like you literally just claimed idk how the system works don't take a full loop and start talking like you know how the system works. Their glamour system could work in multiple ways.