Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[reivaxe]

I can't say I care much for 'diversity' when it's applied in such a hypocritical manner. If diversity was truly such a grave concern then surely it would have been a priority not to add yet another 'pretty' female race?

Cause they were the most wanted race since the days before HW and they figured this was gonna be their last chance at a new race so they wanted to give the fans what they wanted. Reading their interviews I must say they never sounded excited about adding them. In so many words they basically say they were browbeaten in to adding them by the communities strong desire.

I believe him when he says "whats the point of adding another handsome male if the only difference is the ears" cause from a character design PoV the Viera we have don't really add much of anything to the game that wasn't there before. I believe they can come to terms with their choice via the fact that FemElezen were the only option for a tall, thin female character before so which ever way they went they would be adding another option to either the Tall thin or Tall strong builds.

[zeylos]

It's because they were not even made with the intention to be popular - let's be honest, Roes (and probably Lalas) were just token races, because there always has to be a big buff and a chibi. Roes are not what people who play big races like, they're what people who don't like big races think people who like them like, but with all its shortcomings, it's better than nothing.

I just think that then 1 big race was enough and they should'va added ronso. I personally would have rpefered to have more iconic fnal fantasy races from the start, but them replacing ronso with hrotgar (who are like , a worse version of them) dosent really sit that well with me. Then again, not like I would play one anyways

[Bluemagedood]

I think there was a couple of options to add MViera that could have really set them apart.
My favorite would have been a race that doesn't differ a lot based on gender, as the only other race with limited Sexual Dimorphisim is Lalafell. It would also fit existing Viera lore quite well as they're supposed to be indistinguishable to the causal eye until their adolescence(?).

Alternatively, having a MViera could also occupy the niche of MElezen, but wilder and MCatboy, but more finesse, which also would have been cool.

[Lauront]

https://www.siliconera.com/square-ta...baby-behemoth/

Interesting how things played out how he originally planned. That said, I'm happy with Hrothgar, but I wished they looked more like Ronso if that's what they were inspired by.

I think the problem with that, at least from a PR perspective, is that they then went and released concept art of what male Viera might have looked like pre-HW, which had much greater traction than any obscure comments like the above. They were eschewed in favour of Au Ra at the time. I personally don't think it really was the driving causal factor here, so much as SE thinking it was killing two birds with one stone, on the one hand by sating popular demand and on the other, drawing in players who they thought felt they were not satisfied with SE's existing racial lineup, i.e. missing a pure beast race (Au Ra men straddle the line a bit.)

[Kobalos]

https://www.siliconera.com/square-ta...baby-behemoth/

Interesting how things played out how he originally planned. That said, I'm happy with Hrothgar, but I wished they looked more like Ronso if that's what they were inspired by.

My heart sank when he said that. Bunny girls in heels and lingerie is fine but bunny boys are too 'weird' - It's very one sided but it is what it is

[WhiteArchmage]

I think the problem with that, at least from a PR perspective, is that they then went and released concept art of what male Viera might have looked like pre-HW, which had much greater traction than any obscure comments like the above. They were eschewed in favour of Au Ra at the time. I personally don't think it really was the driving causal factor here, so much as SE thinking it was killing two birds with one stone, on the one hand by sating popular demand and on the other, drawing in players who they thought felt they were not satisfied with SE's existing racial lineup, i.e. missing a pure beast race (Au Ra men straddle the line a bit.)

Indeed. The timeline was "Yoshi-P mentions bunny men would be weird" -> "Concept art is released of Viera, male and female" -> "Viera is teased with Fran" -> "Viera is revealed in FanFest but no mention of the men besides a 'if you look at the Lore...' remark from Yoshi-P" -> "Yoshi backpedals, says limitations and they were trying to appease both sides by releasing the much-demanded Viera and beast race"

Seeing as how the concept art came LATER than the "bunny men would be weird" comment, one could be forgiven to think that Yoshi-P changed his mind and we would be getting Viera males anyway. Seeing how one was a throwaway line in an interview and the other was official, and revealed, concept art, it's darkly funny how the former turned out to be correct.

[MikkoAkure]

I think the problem with that, at least from a PR perspective, is that they then went and released concept art of what male Viera might have looked like pre-HW, which had much greater traction than any obscure comments like the above. They were eschewed in favour of Au Ra at the time. I personally don't think it really was the driving causal factor here, so much as SE thinking it was killing two birds with one stone, on the one hand by sating popular demand and on the other, drawing in players who they thought felt they were not satisfied with SE's existing racial lineup, i.e. missing a pure beast race (Au Ra men straddle the line a bit.)

Yeah that’s pretty much it. On one hand, they wanted to do a more unique looking race (hrothgar) that’s different than everything else they’ve done. That’s also why we got au ra. Say what you will about them scrapping the original female au ra concept in favor of tiny lizard teens, the idea of a partly scaly race that hears out its horns is pretty unique. On the other hand, you had fans asking for viera since the very first race poll. I believe they said hrothgar were first but since they knew this would be the last race, they split both into the genders they thought would be more popular for each race.

[Allegor]

I somehow doubt that. If anything, it's the macho archetype what they seem to dislike. Bishonen boys are everywhere and very popular so my guess would be it's not because they'd be feminine (which, lorewise, they'd be far from), but because they're specifically bunny people.

*edit* seems the last 2 pages or so were deleted lol

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

Looks like that comment from Zeylos, and all related ones were removed. Probably for the best.

[reivaxe]

Looks like that comment from Zeylos, and all related ones were removed. Probably for the best.

Oh, there was another mass deletion that I missed?

Wonder what the topic was, this thread runs through cycles like the phases of the moon.