It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[SturmChurro]

Well one problem I see if the lack of Lalafell, other then that I could get behind that. :P

Well, a caveat for the clothing ban will be lalafell player characters being excluded from the game. They will be reskinned to a generic Elezen.

[Awha]

Well, a caveat for the clothing ban will be lalafell player characters being excluded from the game. They will be reskinned to a generic Elezen.

Well after thinking about being the last of mine kind would be rather refreshing.

[YellowCrystarium]

Interesting, I am very late to the discussion, but for me it's the uniqueness of each character that I like in MMOs. It was a very long time ago when everyone would have the same look and we would yearn for some level of customization.

But maybe you'd rather have this

I'd enjoy this. It beats seeing another Viera with face 1 and long over the shoulder hair dressed in a bikini or 2B leggings with the pagos jacket and shirt and the 2B stilettos.

[PharisHanasaki]

I'd enjoy this. It beats seeing another Viera with face 1 and long over the shoulder hair dressed in a bikini or 2B leggings with the pagos jacket and shirt and the 2B stilettos.

We all know Vieras wear the viera race bottoms so they can show us their bums.

On topic, and out of curiosity, why?

[Vahlnir]

We all know Vieras wear the viera race bottoms so they can show us their bums.

On topic, and out of curiosity, why?

It's mostly for eye candy I'd imagine, but not being quite as encumbered while moving through the forest is probably another reason for its existence lore wise. Though to be fair, we mostly see Viera NPCs in other tribal wear in combination with the racial high heels. The racial gear seems to largely be a player character exclusive thing aside from Fran, unless that is a more common outfit on the Source.

[PharisHanasaki]

It's mostly for eye candy I'd imagine, but not being quite as encumbered in the forest is probably another reason for its existence lore wise. Though to be fair, we mostly see Viera NPCs in other tribal wear in combination with the racial high heels.

The Why, was directed at YellowCristarium, mostly referring to why would he prefer an army of lookalikes rather than seeing vieras with face 1 and 2b clothes.

[Vahlnir]

The Why, was directed at YellowCristarium, mostly referring to why would he prefer an army of lookalikes rather than seeing vieras with face 1 and 2b clothes.

Oh, I wasn't responding to the "why", I was just responding to the rest of your post.

[PharisHanasaki]

Oh, I wasn't responding to the "why", I was just responding to the rest of your post.

Okay! But I did not mean it literally, I know why they wear the racial legwear xD
I was replying to YellowCristarium, about how it's more common to see them in racial gear, than 2b bottoms like he/she/they said ^^
And, I'm out! This got awkward, haha.

[Krotoan]

What about this, the ultimate compromise of compromises:

An option to change someone into a set basic char for each job. So you won't just see character in question with different gear, you'll see a completely different character that will be the same one every time you use this option (for each job). This way, you won't be changing how a character presents itself, you change the whole character. The character may even look like companions from MSQ. Except for their motions and combat, they no longer represent the player's character in any way.

I have already proposed this and some are OK with it, though again there are some that have a problem with the whole replacement of their character in any way part.

As I noted earlier in the thread, I have some Serious Yikes about this idea if you're just replacing people with the default for their race/gender/background.

If you glance over at my character appearance to the left of this post, you will note that she has fairly dark skin; if you look at the default Hyuran highlander female in chargen, you will note that she does not.
If you think this thread is heated, just imagine the comments on something like that. Whether or not you think that changing someone's clothing is an issue, I do not think it would make for good publicity if someone could write up an article with a headline for Kotaku or Polygon of "SquareEnix lets you turn FFXIV into a White Supremacist's Paradise: new patch lets you remove all dark-skinned characters with the press of a button."

In the end, the debate about clothing in glamour is one that's inherently argued wholly from personal emotional positions. And both sides can each see the other as lacking in empathy and/or willfully ignoring their own concerns. After all, your position, which is [for/against] this feature, is clearly the reasonable one—as anyone can see, while the people arguing [against/for] this feature are clearly just being selfish because they are restricting personal choice by refusing to respect your wholly-reasonable personal preference. Clearly, they are lacking in empathy, and being [precious snowflakes/bigots], or whatever other dismissive (and possibly reductive) term of insult best brushes the opposing position away.

We're never going to reach agreement because both viewpoints are wholly valid, and there's literally no objective basis to say that one viewpoint is 'more valid' than the other. Anyone—on either side—who says their opinion is objectively the 'right' one is being willfully blind, because there is literally no part of this discussion which is remotely objective.

But trying to find a middle ground by allowing people to replace all characters—of all skin tones—with the fair-skinned defaults? That one, I can say with reasonable surety that I do not see any way in which the resulting public perception ends up being an overall good one. Regardless of the intent behind such an idea.

And I guarantee you if you made one of the set characters be dark-skinned, there'd be a contingent who howled about how that's not their character and it's all the fault of the "Social Justice Warriors" ruining gaming.

(Which is silly. I mean, just speaking for myself, I am clearly predominantly a Social Justice White Mage; I haven't even leveled Marauder high enough to get a Warrior soul crystal! If I am going to be tanking, obviously I'm a Social Justice Dark Knight!)

The "supremacy" problem is easily remedied with random skin tone generation on the character or allowing the skin tone selection to not be modified, while the the color it represents changes depending on the race the values at least are data already present for use in the data stream and would not represent any increase in the needed amount of data to represent a character with the option on. ... the rest however.. not so much as is evidenced by being on page 140+



I am getting tired of the same arguments being leveled though.

[Jadedsins]

I mean what is next? I want all races to be hume? Come on.