Moogle Tomestones problem with Rival Wings

[Moonlite]

With front line having lost its team/faction feel I no longer do it; so it was nice to get into something new.

Serious question or morbid curiosity take your pick. Its ok that rival wings has two teams not tied to GCs. But it is not ok that frontlines removed them knowing the problems they created? And trust me I actually miss seeing the same people in ARR and HWs. You are lucky if people say hello when you type it and I can't be on that many blists.

[BloodRubyXII]

Serious question or morbid curiosity take your pick. Its ok that rival wings has two teams not tied to GCs. But it is not ok that frontlines removed them knowing the problems they created? And trust me I actually miss seeing the same people in ARR and HWs. You are lucky if people say hello when you type it and I can't be on that many blists.

Because we've always been randomised in RW, but we could always play on the same GC in FLs. It's a drastic change.

[Covfefe]

Serious question or morbid curiosity take your pick. Its ok that rival wings has two teams not tied to GCs. But it is not ok that frontlines removed them knowing the problems they created? And trust me I actually miss seeing the same people in ARR and HWs. You are lucky if people say hello when you type it and I can't be on that many blists.

Because one is a patriotic team that has to do with "Coin and Country!".
It is integrated into who my character is.
It is also integrated into the game mode itself.

The other, is just laid out as a color in an entertainment PVP mode instead of a real "warzone".

It is like the difference between cheering for a football team and fighting for a country.
You can change football teams but still be in the same country.
You fight for a different country? There might not even be football anymore...

[OskarXCI]

Because we've always been randomised in RW, but we could always play on the same GC in FLs. It's a drastic change.

GC matchmaking made matches one-sided. It gave newcomers a bad first impression of PvP in general.

People complain that the PvP playerbase is so small all the time. It’s not really inviting for new players when the most active mode doesn’t have a fair matchmaking system.

[Moonlite]

Because one is a patriotic team that has to do with "Coin and Country!".
It is integrated into who my character is.
It is also integrated into the game mode itself.

The other, is just laid out as a color in an entertainment PVP mode instead of a real "warzone".

It is like the difference between cheering for a football team and fighting for a country.
You can change football teams but still be in the same country.
You fight for a different country? There might not even be football anymore...

See and this is my problem. This is all stuff people have added in their head. We get a few lines of dialogue and then nothing. If they had actually implemented something to go along with this strange patriotic feeling people have I might understand it more. It is funny you mention football. Because I didn't want to mention it. But the feeling I get of people who are attached to GCs is the same as the people who go to far when attached to a sports team.

[Covfefe]

GC matchmaking made matches one-sided. It gave newcomers a bad first impression of PvP in general.

People complain that the PvP playerbase is so small all the time. It’s not really inviting for new players when the most active mode doesn’t have a fair matchmaking system.

Three teams, two will lose.

The fundamental principal of that mode is that even with even match making you will lose twice as much as you win.

And even match making is not something that is possible because stronger players do not get stronger abilities that make up for the players they end up que-ed with.
This attempt results in the most average team winning and the strongest players being paired with a larger pool of weaker players that are guaranteed to lose.
Notice after the adjustments the complaints about matching making? This is because a match making that tries to make complainers of unfair matchmaking happy must put the worst players together on a team in an attempt to balance a few best players.
The end result, bam, splat.

It was a lot more fun before the que-changes.
Before the changes, if you were a low rated player there was still a chance of ending up on a mostly stacked team.
Under the current system, if you are a low rated player, you'll end up with lots of other low rated players on a team formed to balance a higher rated player that can't solo a 72 player mode.

Moonlite, I suppose you don't Role Play?

[BloodRubyXII]

GC matchmaking made matches one-sided. It gave newcomers a bad first impression of PvP in general.

People complain that the PvP playerbase is so small all the time. It’s not really inviting for new players when the most active mode doesn’t have a fair matchmaking system.

Like there hasn't been a dominant faction in PvP in every game lol. From someone that's brought new players to PvP, the GC balancing isn't their problem, they didn't take issue with losing, they just thought the 1v1v1 concept was atrocious and much preferred Rival Wings.

[OskarXCI]

It was a lot more fun before the que-changes.
Before the changes, if you were a low rated player there was still a chance of ending up on a mostly stacked team.
Under the current system, if you are a low rated player, you'll end up with lots of other low rated players on a team formed to balance a higher rated player that can't solo a 72 player mode.

All I hear is people here complaining that they can no longer GC stack and bulldoze over the other teams. Very unsportsmanlike behavior. The winrate will now be closer to 33% for everyone and not some having 80% while others have 15% or lower.

Forced Freelancer results in shorter queue times. That alone makes the current system better.

Like there hasn't been a dominant faction in PvP in every game lol.

So trying to improve matchmaking is a waste of time?

[Covfefe]

All I hear is people here complaining that they can no longer GC stack and bulldoze over the other teams. Very unsportsmanlike behavior. The winrate will now be closer to 33% for everyone and not some having 80% while others have 15% or lower.

Forced Freelancer results in shorter queue times. That alone makes the current system better.



So trying to improve matchmaking is a waste of time?

I have a 22.2% win rate as an Immortal Flame. 117 Matches.

You know what? About half those wins were awesome when they happened.
As in, take a screenshot for the folder awesome.
Under the current system, the elation of winning from the underdog country will never again be known.
This is an exaggeration, but imagine being a team Jamaica beating team Canada in Olympic Ice Hockey.
Well, if you "re balanced" all the players to all the countries; would people care to enter the olympics as much?
Would people care to watch as much?
Surely it would become hollow without the foundation of countries.

Under the new system it still will not balance out; because the people at the bottom will be grouped together to balance the ratings at the top.
They will go on a long losing cycle because of this, and quit. The bottom will keep getting replaced while those that bubble up in winning streaks will persevere through that losing streak.

The end result will be people still complaining of losing too much.

The only solution for this kind of person is one team, and fighting against scripted opponents so that everyone wins.

My love is to build things, not to destroy them.
So what if some people work together to win more - they built that.
Why destroy it? Why not enjoy the building and creating process.

[Divinemights]

Forced Freelancer results in shorter queue times. That alone makes the current system better.
So trying to improve matchmaking is a waste of time?

Better?
You are referring to the situation where I have to suffer because of people trying to play for PvE Objective in a PvP mode?
Such as calling for a S rank node when this GC only need 50 more points to win?
Better?
I would rather to have the original pvp community size