Moogle Tomestones problem with Rival Wings

[BloodRubyXII]

All I hear is people here complaining that they can no longer GC stack and bulldoze over the other teams. Very unsportsmanlike behavior. The winrate will now be closer to 33% for everyone and not some having 80% while others have 15% or lower.

Forced Freelancer results in shorter queue times. That alone makes the current system better.



So trying to improve matchmaking is a waste of time?

Pretty much, Adders dominated for the first few weeks of Onsal, and then like what happened to Maelstrom, started tanking hard because loads of leeches went to Adders to get carried to easier wins, which in turn meant Flames and Mael were able to get a lot of games back from them. To cap it off, Adders obviously had longer queues times (which some adders players circumvented by queueing freelance just so they could play, even if it meant a loss) and because people had swapped to them, they were stuck there, which freed up a lot of good players to swap OUT of Adders, and the cycle would have continued if forced freelancer wasn't a thing. In like the last 2 weeks of GCs meaning anything before forced freelancer, Flames were absolutely murdering Adders on Light. Like before forced freelancer, my winrate was actually better on Flames in FLs than it has been since the change, even though statistically we've always been one of the worst GCs with the few players that are half good at PvP turning freelancer on.

[OskarXCI]

TL;DR

You sure go a long way of trying to justify uneven teams.

Better?
You are referring to the situation where I have to suffer because of people trying to play for PvE Objective in a PvP mode?
Such as calling for a S rank node when this GC only need 50 more points to win?
Better?
I would rather to have the original pvp community size

Situations like that can very much happen for an opposing team.

It's now random. It can happen to you, it can happen to others.

Pretty much, Adders dominated for the first few weeks of Onsal, and then like what happened to Maelstrom, started tanking hard because loads of leeches went to Adders to get carried to easier wins, which in turn meant Flames and Mael were able to get a lot of games back from them. To cap it off, Adders obviously had longer queues times (which some adders players circumvented by queueing freelance just so they could play, even if it meant a loss) and because people had swapped to them, they were stuck there, which freed up a lot of good players to swap OUT of Adders, and the cycle would have continued if forced freelancer wasn't a thing. In like the last 2 weeks of GCs meaning anything before forced freelancer, Flames were absolutely murdering Adders on Light. Like before forced freelancer, my winrate was actually better on Flames in FLs than it has been since the change, even though statistically we've always been one of the worst GCs with the few players that are half good at PvP turning freelancer on.

So keep track of which GC is dominating on what data center? Feels like too much of a hassle and a lot of uneven matches. Force Freelancer and be done with it. (what they did).

[Covfefe]

PVP is Player vs Player.
Players are uneven.
Teams are made out of players.
Team PVP will be uneven.

Players can improve themselves.
It is good to allow players to stack.
This encourages improvement.

I like to fight against the dominant que.
It makes me better.
I also understand why people want to arrange a dominant que.
For them, it is a different form of improvement than what I seek.
Let them, I embrace a different challenge.

If however, you determine fairness not availability of choosing correct control inputs, but by result that disregards the choices of control inputs then that is a path to innervation and death.

If the goal is for all to win the same amount, then what point is there in doing any more than showing up, not caring, letting the time run out, and collect the reward.
What those wanting all players to have the same win ratio should seek is a game mode where score is assigned randomly on equal chances each tick no matter what the players do.

I'd only show up to a mode like that while doing some other work and mostly afk.
If I want to sit at a screen and controls and play I want what I do to matter.
Prior, it did. I did see my win rate go up from the underdog team.
I did get to see the overall quality of my grand company improve by investing time and effort typing encouragement and looking to a better next moment.

No point now. Growth of those beside me is no longer is structured to improve the world around me.
If equality of outcome is valued over incentive to grow the way to the former will be through tearing down.

[Divinemights]

Situations like that can very much happen for an opposing team.

It's now random. It can happen to you, it can happen to others.

You did get what you want and force veterans to went through painful experiences to carry those who are not willing to learn. Just don’t get on your high horse and calling everyone for simply dislike the idea.

To ask for for fairness in PvP is absurd to begin with. It is player vs player, not against a preprogrammed AI. There is no equal and only good players, ok players but willing to learn, and bad players want “fairness” because they are not willing to learn

[BloodRubyXII]

So keep track of which GC is dominating on what data center? Feels like too much of a hassle and a lot of uneven matches. Force Freelancer and be done with it. (what they did).

Not sure if you've misinterpreted what I said or what, but please elaborate. I was better off being on the same GC every game even though it wasn't particularly stacked than I am now under the random system where I can win a ton of games in one day and then win like 2 over the spam of 2 weeks.

[Moonlite]

Preemptive bump so the people can complain about Mogtomes in their PvP. Also reading back we kind of ignored the OP after a few posts and discussed something else.


Back to regularly schedule rant. "How dare they help ques pop!" "I prefer infinite ques to seeing bad players."

[Shinklet]

PvP dead for weeks on end, people complain.

Se get queues popping, 'wtf se, people are pvping and they all suck!'

Manufactured problem, get over it.

[Coopa]

you can do Aurum Vale in like 15minutes

actually blu party can farm 5 tomes from aurum every 5m or even faster as i remember

[Commander_Justitia]

Rewarding losing and winning the same way...Was never a good idea.

Maybe reward considerable more moogle things if the match is longer duration wise. So it doesn't matter how long it gets and is actually beneficial for your farming.

[OskarXCI]

You did get what you want and force veterans to went through painful experiences to carry those who are not willing to learn. Just don’t get on your high horse and calling everyone for simply dislike the idea.

If you want to dominate in a premade party full of veterans, play in the next Light Party Feast Season. Or participate when the PvPaissa discord server organizes tournaments.

Mixing premade parties and solo queuers in the same matchmaking for Frontline isn't really balanced. But, understandably, premades was reduced to 4 players. And I say this as someone who were doing 8-man premades when it was possible.