It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Vahlnir]

It's a form of harassment for people to make controversial glamours and then force them on people who do not wish to see them - which is exactly what some of those opposed to the idea seem to want to do. If someone were to follow me around in-game in a frog suit simply to make a nuisance of themselves then I don't doubt that the GM's would intervene. That aside, branding people 'bigots' for not liking a particular type of fashion is also a type of harassment in itself - and a very troubling one, given that it devalues actual cases of bigotry.

Following someone around with the sole intention of annoying them (which would be harassment) is not the same as wearing an outfit that some either like or dislike which comes down to personal preference...which is not harassment. I think you need to learn the difference.

[Arillyn]

It's a form of harassment for people to make controversial glamours and then force them on people who do not wish to see them - which is exactly what some of those opposed to the idea seem to want to do. If someone were to follow me around in-game in a frog suit simply to make a nuisance of themselves then I don't doubt that the GM's would intervene. That aside, branding people 'bigots' for not liking a particular type of fashion is also a type of harassment in itself - and a very troubling one, given that it devalues actual cases of bigotry.

But I'm not being harassed by someone wearing something "controversial" (in quotes because that is subjective). I mean if they are chasing me I can reach out to a GM for harassment but the GM would take that harassment as them chasing me around, not because of what they are wearing.

[Joven]

Looks like we agree! The devs waste a lot of resources! So why should they even bother wasting more time reading something like this?!

You've missed the point entirely. People are getting upset at the thought of the developers wasting time with this "useless" idea because of other things that need to be improved yet actively welcome useless features such as umbrellas without hesitation. Why is it OK for the devs. to waste time on one useless idea, but not another?

[SturmChurro]

But I'm not being harassed by someone wearing something "controversial" (in quotes because that is subjective). I mean if they are chasing me I can reach out to a GM for harassment but the GM would take that harassment as them chasing me around, not because of what they are wearing.

I don't see how you feel that way. When Rash is following me in a dungeon, I always wonder where Pimple is.

[Theodric]

According to the terms of service, dismissing people based on differing thinking, standards and morals is very much a case of harassment. The game excels at providing compromises to ensure that many different types of players get to tweak the game to their liking.

This suggestion is but another compromise. An optional feature that some people will use and others will not. It's much in the same vein as the easy mode for solo duties - I'd be willing to bet the majority of people playing this game have no need of such a feature...but it still helps make the game more enjoyable for the portion of players who do end up making use of it.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

The proposed toggle only affects those who deliberately wish to go out of their way to force themselves on other players - which is a form of harassment.

OH MY GOD WE'VE DONE IT. THEY SAID WE'D NEVER GET THIS FAR BUT WE'RE HERE!

So, let me get this straight... using glamours is harassment now? REALLY?! The feature which everyone, including yourself, use is now considered harassment?! What in the actual- I want to see the mental gymnastics tied to this one.

Tell me, how does one go out of their way to FORCE THEMSELVES on other players with glamours? This is golden.

There's been a lot of support for the proposal, regardless. A hundred likes is a pretty impressive feat - many threads do not reach such heights.

"A lot of support" he says. 100 likes on a forum isn't much, man. I hate to break it to you. I'm still reeling myself in from the above comment but wow, keep it coming!

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

The same could be said for the male Viera thread.

And? Your point being what? It very well could be said of that too. So many think that thread is so "highly requested" but in reality, in the metrics of it all, it's small.

[SturmChurro]

OH MY GOD WE'VE DONE IT. THEY SAID WE'D NEVER GET THIS FAR BUT WE'RE HERE!

So, let me get this straight... using glamours is harassment now? REALLY?! The feature which everyone, including yourself, use is now considered harassment?! What in the actual- I want to see the mental gymnastics tied to this one.

Tell me, how does one go out of their way to FORCE THEMSELVES on other players with glamours? This is golden.




"A lot of support" he says. 100 likes on a forum isn't much, man. I hate to break it to you. I'm still reeling myself in from the above comment but wow, keep it coming!

It's low-key holy spam. Instead of following you around using holy, they are following you around in an ugly glamour. Unbelievable, and you can't even turn off clothes effects!

[Vahlnir]

OH MY GOD WE'VE DONE IT. THEY SAID WE'D NEVER GET THIS FAR BUT WE'RE HERE!

So, let me get this straight... using glamours is harassment now? REALLY?! The feature which everyone, including yourself, use is now considered harassment?! What in the actual- I want to see the mental gymnastics tied to this one.

Tell me, how does one go out of their way to FORCE THEMSELVES on other players with glamours? This is golden.




"A lot of support" he says. 100 likes on a forum isn't much, man. I hate to break it to you. I'm still reeling myself in from the above comment but wow, keep it coming!

Their "logic" is exactly why I oppose this idea. Were it not for questionable defenses of the topic with even more questionable intentions I might ere on the side of supporting this. But I just can't because this is basically how it has been from the start.

[Awha]

How is it a form of harassment to make glamours using the gear that SE has put in the game? I mean if someone wants to tank glamoured in the frog outfit idc - SE put it in the game. I have seen this a few times in this thread and I'm genuinely confused how this is seen as harassment.

I am not sure how prevalent this is, but I personally with some friends followed around someone after they made a comment regarding my friend pretending be to a male bunny. We said nothing just had him on follow with our bunny suits on. We did it to bother the person, and I could see how it could be considered a form of harassment since only way for them to avoid us was to log out, leave the town, or enter an instance.

The person did claim to report us, but nothing came about it since even though they made the request for us to stop we simply ignored them, did not say anything just followed him around. In certain situations I do think GM's have their hands tied given fringe cases of harrassment like following someone around in a certain outfit they have voiced to not like. But if this feature was a thing the implact from our side would be lessenend greatly because what we were wearing appeared to cause the person the most issue.

None of which are a great opinion for the person, but perfect for us since we got our laughs. Not saying what I did was right, but any reasonable person could see it as bothersome and possibly a form of harrassment. I am just not reasonable when it comes to people poking fun of those I know.

Granted it is possible the person never reported us, or the GM that read their report did not see any form of harrassment due to the fact nothing was said in game from our side.