It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Awha]

Right but that would be a form of harassment regardless of what you were wearing. I understand you did it with that outfit on they hated. But the GMs would have tagged you for the following, not what you were wearing.

It seems like a stretch to say following someone is a form of harrassment, that is what they would have to tag me for. They could not use the outfit, and being as we did not say anything to the person the rule break of harrassment would solely lie on the fact that we followed a person. No matter how I look at it that is a tough spot for a GM.

As I said may have gotten off lucky but I have done many things in this game that many have asked me to stop and nothing has ever happened to me because I do not think the fact of someone asking another person to stop in itself in terms of GM staff is enough reason to toss out a punhisment for. The GM staff seems big of evidence to take action.

In itself I do not think following someone around is harrassment in itself, annoying yes, but harrassment I feel that is a stretch. Now following someone around parading in attire they have voiced to be in approval of that I could see as a harrassment. Without the attire aspect it just seems annoying, given the amount of info the GM had to go by.

[Joven]

And? Your point being what? It very well could be said of that too. So many think that thread is so "highly requested" but in reality, in the metrics of it all, it's small.

Right now the metrics are small, but this thread hasn't been up as long as the Viera one. I've seen threads where the large majority of replies were positive yet the likes counter never exceeded the double digits and the thread died not long after.

[Darkpaw]

It’s a moot point anyways, because in the grand scheme of things it would be way too much of a burden on the servers.

And to those who say “it’ll only be client side it won’t affect anyone else.” You are wrong. Very wrong. Not on the morals, i could careless on morality because no one here or anywhere in this day and age really has a leg to stand on when it comes to morals, but on the technical side you are all wrong.

This game has to decide what to render, so every character on every server on every data center would need two distinct models, one for those who haven’t chosen to ignore glamour, and those who have. That data has to come and go between each client and the server, to render everything. The amount of server strain would be insane.

Especially when their are other priorities for server load requests. (Glamour dressers in housing, more inventory spaces, instanced housing, tackle box for fisher, breaking down data center walls, etc etc) are far more popular far more requested features.

[Jadedsins]

and an umbrella isn't?

I mean it is a rpg. So that is not a bad idea really why not? Having control over an social element? Not a good idea. Fashion is a statement.

[Arillyn]

It’s a moot point anyways, because in the grand scheme of things it would be way too much of a burden on the servers.

And to those who say “it’ll only be client side it won’t affect anyone else.” You are wrong. Very wrong. Not on the morals, i could careless on morality because no one here or anywhere in this day and age really has a leg to stand on when it comes to morals, but on the technical side you are all wrong.

This game has to decide what to render, so every character on every server on every data center would need two distinct models, one for those who haven’t chosen to ignore glamour, and those who have. That data has to come and go between each client and the server, to render everything. The amount of server strain would be insane.

Especially when their are other priorities for server load requests. (Glamour dressers in housing, more inventory spaces, instanced housing, tackle box for fisher, breaking down data center walls, etc etc) are far more popular far more requested features.

Yes I think you probably right on this. There are many other things I would rather they sort out with their servers - all you have in parenthesis - then try to implement this.

It seems like a stretch to say following someone is a form of harrassment, that is what they would have to tag me for. They could not use the outfit, and being as we did not say anything to the person the rule break of harrassment would solely lie on the fact that we followed a person. No matter how I look at it that is a tough spot for a GM.

As I said may have gotten off lucky but I have done many things in this game that many have asked me to stop and nothing has ever happened to me because I do not think the fact of someone asking another person to stop in itself in terms of GM staff is enough reason to toss out a punhisment for. The GM staff seems big of evidence to take action.

In itself I do not think following someone around is harrassment in itself, annoying yes, but harrassment I feel that is a stretch. Now following someone around parading in attire they have voiced to be in approval of that I could see as a harrassment. Without the attire aspect it just seems annoying, given the amount of info the GM had to go by.

You probably did get off lucky. I'm sure people do get reported for following someone. i mean people report people for all kinds of things.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

Right now the metrics are small, but this thread hasn't been up as long as the Viera one. I've seen threads where the large majority of replies were positive yet the likes counter never exceeded the double digits and the thread died not long after.

The metrics are also skewed. There is no dislike button and I've seen far more commentary against the topic than for it. All those people can do is voice it. There is no dislike button to measure alongside the like button. For all we know, there could be 500+ dislikes. There could be 5. We'll never know. So trying to measure demand based on likes alone is pointless and honestly, likely not accurate.

Some people like a good troll thread. Some people like for no reason. Basing demand on likes is a flawed system.

[Awha]

It’s a moot point anyways, because in the grand scheme of things it would be way too much of a burden on the servers.

And to those who say “it’ll only be client side it won’t affect anyone else.” You are wrong. Very wrong. Not on the morals, i could careless on morality because no one here or anywhere in this day and age really has a leg to stand on when it comes to morals, but on the technical side you are all wrong.

This game has to decide what to render, so every character on every server on every data center would need two distinct models, one for those who haven’t chosen to ignore glamour, and those who have. That data has to come and go between each client and the server, to render everything. The amount of server strain would be insane.

Especially when their are other priorities for server load requests. (Glamour dressers in housing, more inventory spaces, instanced housing, tackle box for fisher, breaking down data center walls, etc etc) are far more popular far more requested features.

If they function like mods, wouldn't the information be stored on your machine, so the server impact should be non existent or extremely minimal. I have dabbled with mods and I have never noticed any performance dips.

You probably did get off lucky. I'm sure people do get reported for following someone. i mean people report people for all kinds of things.

Oh I get people get reported for a lot of different things, but the aspect of report means nothing if no action was taken. People are free to report another for whatever reason, but if no action is taken due to said report then the report seems moot at that point. Also in terms of harrassment SE does seem to be fairly heavy handied, I made a comment in game to another player and got a three day suspension. I just think in SE cases just because someone reported someone without any evidence it seems their hands are tied.

[Gula]

The metrics are also skewed. There is no dislike button and I've seen far more commentary against the topic than for it. All those people can do is voice it. There is no dislike button to measure alongside the like button. For all we know, there could be 500+ dislikes. There could be 5. We'll never know. So trying to measure demand based on likes alone is pointless and honestly, likely not accurate.

Some people like a good troll thread. Some people like for no reason. Basing demand on likes is a flawed system.

Likes are just a show of popularity.

See facebook or twitter posts: "RIP Mr. Mittens. 15 years you will be missed" followed by (15) Likes.

[Joven]

The metrics are also skewed. There is no dislike button and I've seen far more commentary against the topic than for it. All those people can do is voice it. There is no dislike button to measure alongside the like button. For all we know, there could be 500+ dislikes. There could be 5. We'll never know. So trying to measure demand based on likes alone is pointless and honestly, likely not accurate.

Some people like a good troll thread. Some people like for no reason. Basing demand on likes is a flawed system.

I don't disagree about the skewed metrics, but it's all we've got. So far I've seen roughly equal positive/negative replies as far new people entering and replying. Usually the 'pro' replies make their comment and that's it. They usually don't stay and continue so it appears as though there are more negetive.

[DumdogsWorld]

It’s a moot point anyways, because in the grand scheme of things it would be way too much of a burden on the servers.

And to those who say “it’ll only be client side it won’t affect anyone else.” You are wrong. Very wrong. Not on the morals, i could careless on morality because no one here or anywhere in this day and age really has a leg to stand on when it comes to morals, but on the technical side you are all wrong.

This game has to decide what to render, so every character on every server on every data center would need two distinct models, one for those who haven’t chosen to ignore glamour, and those who have. That data has to come and go between each client and the server, to render everything. The amount of server strain would be insane.

Especially when their are other priorities for server load requests. (Glamour dressers in housing, more inventory spaces, instanced housing, tackle box for fisher, breaking down data center walls, etc etc) are far more popular far more requested features.

This is incorrect. Everything suggested so far in the thread can be computed client-side and at run-time from the information already transmitted from the server.

We downplay the likes because of the number of dislikes. We are not shocked that 100 people want to waste developers time. That is normal. I mean even lets say 30 percent of the player base wanted this feature. (i doubt it.) It can be twisted around to say..It is unfair to that 30 percent who pay blah blah blah.


Point is, it is a bad idea. Your reasons for wanting it is not good enough, and that is that.

Yes, because wanting a single competent programmer to spend 6 hours to implement such a small feature is completely unreasonable.

Honestly, if they can't pull it off with that or less, then there are two possibilities:

-Their engine is beyond saving.

-They have no competent programmers.

...and if either of those are the case, we have much bigger things to worry about.