It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Arillyn]

They're not wrong. Diversity of thought and diversity of opinion are invaluable. The game already caters to many different types of players, many of whom never interact with each other. The proposed toggle only affects those who deliberately wish to go out of their way to force themselves on other players - which is a form of harassment.

How is it a form of harassment to make glamours using the gear that SE has put in the game? I mean if someone wants to tank glamoured in the frog outfit idc - SE put it in the game. I have seen this a few times in this thread and I'm genuinely confused how this is seen as harassment.

[Vahlnir]

How is it a form of harassment to make glamours using the gear that SE has put in the game? I mean if someone wants to tank glamoured in the frog outfit idc - SE put it in the game. I have seen this a few times in this thread and I'm genuinely confused how this is seen as harassment.

Because it's not harassment. Period. Anyone claiming that people wearing what they want to wear in a video game is harassment is delusional at best.

[Theodric]

How is it a form of harassment to make glamours using the gear that SE has put in the game? I mean if someone wants to tank glamoured in the frog outfit idc - SE put it in the game. I have seen this a few times in this thread and I'm genuinely confused how this is seen as harassment.

It's a form of harassment for people to make controversial glamours and then force them on people who do not wish to see them - which is exactly what some of those opposed to the idea seem to want to do. If someone were to follow me around in-game in a frog suit simply to make a nuisance of themselves then I don't doubt that the GM's would intervene. That aside, branding people 'bigots' for not liking a particular type of fashion is also a type of harassment in itself - and a very troubling one, given that it devalues actual cases of bigotry.

[Vahlnir]

It's a form of harassment for people to make controversial glamours and then force them on people who do not wish to see them - which is exactly what some of those opposed to the idea seem to want to do. If someone were to follow me around in-game in a frog suit simply to make a nuisance of themselves then I don't doubt that the GM's would intervene. That aside, branding people 'bigots' for not liking a particular type of fashion is also a type of harassment in itself - and a very troubling one, given that it devalues actual cases of bigotry.

Following someone around with the sole intention of annoying them (which would be harassment) is not the same as wearing an outfit that some either like or dislike which comes down to personal preference...which is not harassment. I think you need to learn the difference.

[Arillyn]

It's a form of harassment for people to make controversial glamours and then force them on people who do not wish to see them - which is exactly what some of those opposed to the idea seem to want to do. If someone were to follow me around in-game in a frog suit simply to make a nuisance of themselves then I don't doubt that the GM's would intervene. That aside, branding people 'bigots' for not liking a particular type of fashion is also a type of harassment in itself - and a very troubling one, given that it devalues actual cases of bigotry.

But I'm not being harassed by someone wearing something "controversial" (in quotes because that is subjective). I mean if they are chasing me I can reach out to a GM for harassment but the GM would take that harassment as them chasing me around, not because of what they are wearing.

[SturmChurro]

But I'm not being harassed by someone wearing something "controversial" (in quotes because that is subjective). I mean if they are chasing me I can reach out to a GM for harassment but the GM would take that harassment as them chasing me around, not because of what they are wearing.

I don't see how you feel that way. When Rash is following me in a dungeon, I always wonder where Pimple is.

[Awha]

How is it a form of harassment to make glamours using the gear that SE has put in the game? I mean if someone wants to tank glamoured in the frog outfit idc - SE put it in the game. I have seen this a few times in this thread and I'm genuinely confused how this is seen as harassment.

I am not sure how prevalent this is, but I personally with some friends followed around someone after they made a comment regarding my friend pretending be to a male bunny. We said nothing just had him on follow with our bunny suits on. We did it to bother the person, and I could see how it could be considered a form of harassment since only way for them to avoid us was to log out, leave the town, or enter an instance.

The person did claim to report us, but nothing came about it since even though they made the request for us to stop we simply ignored them, did not say anything just followed him around. In certain situations I do think GM's have their hands tied given fringe cases of harrassment like following someone around in a certain outfit they have voiced to not like. But if this feature was a thing the implact from our side would be lessenend greatly because what we were wearing appeared to cause the person the most issue.

None of which are a great opinion for the person, but perfect for us since we got our laughs. Not saying what I did was right, but any reasonable person could see it as bothersome and possibly a form of harrassment. I am just not reasonable when it comes to people poking fun of those I know.

Granted it is possible the person never reported us, or the GM that read their report did not see any form of harrassment due to the fact nothing was said in game from our side.

[Arillyn]

I am not sure how prevalent this is, but I personally with some friends followed around someone after they made a comment regarding my friend pretending be to a male bunny. We said nothing just had him on follow with our bunny suits on. We did it to bother the person, and I could see how it could be considered a form of harassment since only way for them to avoid us was to log out, leave the town, or enter an instance.

None of which are a great opinion for the person, but perfect for us since we got our laughs.

Right but that would be a form of harassment regardless of what you were wearing. I understand you did it with that outfit on they hated. But the GMs would have tagged you for the following, not what you were wearing.

[Awha]

Right but that would be a form of harassment regardless of what you were wearing. I understand you did it with that outfit on they hated. But the GMs would have tagged you for the following, not what you were wearing.

It seems like a stretch to say following someone is a form of harrassment, that is what they would have to tag me for. They could not use the outfit, and being as we did not say anything to the person the rule break of harrassment would solely lie on the fact that we followed a person. No matter how I look at it that is a tough spot for a GM.

As I said may have gotten off lucky but I have done many things in this game that many have asked me to stop and nothing has ever happened to me because I do not think the fact of someone asking another person to stop in itself in terms of GM staff is enough reason to toss out a punhisment for. The GM staff seems big of evidence to take action.

In itself I do not think following someone around is harrassment in itself, annoying yes, but harrassment I feel that is a stretch. Now following someone around parading in attire they have voiced to be in approval of that I could see as a harrassment. Without the attire aspect it just seems annoying, given the amount of info the GM had to go by.