Fix ocean fishing or add lockouts for leavers

[TheUltimate3]

The problem is that the effort demanded requires the RNG to matter.

For the savage/ex mounts for example, the only real RNG is the drop/roll, because clearing with a group can be solved if you went in there with a static or something. And then you have the fact that if your group can reliably clear the content, you can just keep doing it over and over again until everyone is happy. And then eventually the mounts would get the totem mercy thing rendering the whole RNG rolling issue for them moot anyway. Basically it's fine.

Like I'd be fine if there was a sure fire way to proc spectral waters if you do everything correctly, in multiple runs I'd catch the required fish to proc FI, then would catch the spectral fish within that 60 second window, and just look as nothing happened. If there was a way to actually remove the RNG of it I wouldn't have a problem with it. Hells they can even lower the chance of catching spectral fish in FI, I would just rather not see that fish caught if it isn't going to proc spectral waters after all the effort done to catch it.

[SuperZay]

You don't need Intuition fish, it's only for white scrips and is generally a waste of time/counterproductive when going for spectrals currents because you divert your time from actual spectral fish. Spectrals are popped much faster from a direct spectral fish catch outside of Intuition window. As for the static, you can make a premade party for high score run, nothing is guaranteed but chances are much higher when evertyone knows a preffered bait for each zone.

[Avidria]

Part of the problem I think is that there are still things being figured out about ocean fishing, and I keep seeing conflicting or inaccurate information around where some makes the mount achievement look worse than it is.

The post above reminded me of it, but everyone seems to think you need FI to proc the current off catching a spectral - but I myself procced a current without FI the other day, and the fishing discord seems to think the two aren't directly related at all. Unless currents proc off the fish you DO get a chance at from FI, which I don't know for sure and it looks like the jury may still be out on that.

Edit: someone beat me to this addition lol, it's probably less of a problem than it was a few days ago because more people seem to know, but I was quite adamantly told you need FI to proc spectral currents earlier this weekend. So some may still be thinking that's the case and unintentionally lowering their chances by however much

Anyway yeah, it seems odd that there isn't a penalty for leaving, and does seem to encourage boat hopping if the outlook doesn't look great from the first stop. I've only seen one leaver myself, and it was in my very first run when I had no idea what was happening anyway, but as much as I do kinda enjoy it, parts of the ocean fishing design do kinda have me scratching my head a little.

[TheUltimate3]

You don't need Intuition fish, it's only for white scrips and is generally a waste of time/counterproductive when going for spectrals currents because you divert your time from actual spectral fish. Spectrals are popped much faster from a direct spectral fish catch outside of Intuition window. As for the static, you can make a premade party for high score run, nothing is guaranteed but chances are much higher when evertyone knows a preffered bait for each zone.

Which again is my point. It's spectral waters is 100% RNG and very little you do can actually help you even if you put the maximum amount of effort you can into it. I've caught spectral fish while in FI, i've caught spectral fish will just going for it alone, it has never proc'd and that is an awful feeling. I've had entire whole runs where everybody was trying trying to proc spectral waters and RNG decided "Nah bro".

If there was just a way to actually remove the RNG it'd be fine like it is. Because it's entirely luck based you can get really lucky and get it within a few runs and declare it easy content, or horribly unlucky and complain about it on the forums.

[SuperZay]

Fishing always was about luck and RNG, but new players are so surprised when they learn about it and asking to remove it, this makes no sense. That's like asking for a weekly gold saucer lottery to have guaranteed numbers.

[Crushnight]

Fishing always was about luck and RNG, but new players are so surprised when they learn about it and asking to remove it, this makes no sense. That's like asking for a weekly gold saucer lottery to have guaranteed numbers.

This isn't what Daiza is arguing to remove completely they are asking if this could be the setup.

Rng of getting fish for FI -> rng of getting spectral fish -> 100% chance of spectral current.

Rather than the Rng of getting spectral fish -> rng of whether currents proc.

Rng remains regardless which route to take but one can be semi planned(as in know which bait order, you know encourage bait switching) while other is pure luck. Both lead to the same result just one feels nicer because right now what is the point of FI on the voyage?

[Espritduo]

Intuition fish still give large amounts of points, and there is no downside to going after them. You can and often will still get the intuition-trigger fish while using the "preferred" bait for the spectral-trigger fish and there is no harm reeling in the intuition big fish if it bites. It's not like Intuition interferes at all with the spectral fish, nor does the bait required for the intuition big fish stop you from still catching spectral-trigger fish at more or less the exact same rate as any other bait. People overestimate the effect bait actually has on this content, with all bait being within a 5% or less variance in catch-rates. The only time bait is a really crucial factor is for fish that only bite on one type of bait, and the only fish like that are intuition big fish and certain time-specific spectral current fish.

[TheMightyMollusk]

I just wish the fish were useful for more than just prints. Make them desynth into something useful, even if just dye pigments. I have so much fine sand.

[Packetdancer]

I just wish the fish were useful for more than just prints. Make them desynth into something useful, even if just dye pigments. I have so much fine sand.

Most of the Ocean Fishing fish with green backgrounds desynth into more ocean fishing bait.

Whether or not that qualifies as "useful" is probably a matter of opinion, mind you.

[Sated]

If you leave you should only be able to join groups that are filling from leavers.

Also wish the ocean fish had better desynth (at least the rarer ones) but I can understand why they don't since they're all level 1.
Or maybe a boat route for higher levels that's more focused.