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  1. #1191
    Player Wavaryen's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabuza View Post
    For someone who is supposedly unhealthy, I find most of my life to be quite serene, whether I am interacting with people or not. A lot of these people I interact with are often stressing about what those around of them think about them, while I remain at peace, happy with myself. I don't see how I'm the unhealthy one.
    I mean you can be happy with yourself and still be anti social. I'm not saying you should stress out and let your fashion rule your life, but dressing up and how others see you is fun, and is part of living in a community. It plays a huge part of human history! I'm saying that not caring at all how others see you is not really normal. It is ok to not agree with how they see you, but not care at all? I'm not so sure.
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  2. #1192
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Which is fair enough. I dabble in a bit of everything and like collecting various things - glamour, minions, mounts and emotes in particular. I also like decorating my house. I'm sure other people in the thread have different priorities with some overlap here and there - but with such a large player-base with varied interests sometimes the best compromise is something like the OP's proposal.
    I would not mind a compromise if it was a good reason why.

    To compromise just for the sake of it. I'm not about that life. I need to understand why. When told immersion, I point out story elements that have people in silly outfits. After that, no other answers. Immersion and story goes hand and hand.
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  3. #1193
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    Quote Originally Posted by MPK View Post
    I agree 100% atleast let us block glamour from blacklisted users.
    Now this is actually a side of this debate that I can agree with and actually makes some sense.
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  4. #1194
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabuza View Post
    There was a post in this thread where I acknowledged this and basically said I would not care if everyone was in colored robes. I just don't want to look upon animal mascot suits when in a dungeon or cutscene. We are not advocating for a glamour toggle so that we can see a character in their underwear.
    Sure. And cars are not meant to be used for vehicular homicide; it doesn't mean they aren't used for such sometimes. It doesn't mean you should say "no cars" because of that, but it does mean maybe it's not terrible to raise a hand and go, "Hey, since someone might, in some cases, try to use this large metal fast-moving object to kill someone, maybe we should take the jagged pointy blades off the front and make it a bit more rounded or something so there's at least a slightly better chance of survivability."

    Hence the "maybe just swap people into their job's iconic outfit rather than stripping away glamour." And when other folks (admittedly not you) speak specifically about how the Frankenarmor would amuse them, I tend to assume we're still talking about specifically stripping off glamour rather than replacing it with a pre-defined job-specific outfit for everyone. In which case, yeah, I'll sing that note again.

    After all, "repeating ourselves endlessly" seems to sort of be the point of this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zabuza View Post
    I guess on some distant level, I could see how you would feel violated, but in the end that is an amalgamation of pixels, not your real life self.
    Again: you don't have to feel violated to dislike something like this. They are not synonymous. Just like you don't have to be a bigot to dislike something like this; they are also not synonymous.

    Seeing someone redraw a favorite character of mine as an NSFW pinup doesn't make me feel violated. It just makes me feel exhausted like, "Really? That's all women are to you? We're still dealing with this? Alright, then."

    That people can share the same opinion without the same motive was literally the entire point of my post.

    You don't have to be insecure to want to show things off; I know plenty of artists who share their work on DeviantArt and ArtStation, not because they're insecure but because they want to show off the results of their creative efforts. I know a lot of folks who glamour for similar reasons, trying to find just the exact right set of matching pieces to get the look they want, and then wanting to show that off to people. This is, I would argue, literally the point behind the Eorzea Collection glamour website; not that people are insecure, but because they want to say "look, see what I came up with!" It's basically ArtStation for glamours.

    Similarly, you don't have to feel personally violated to be exasperated (and maybe a little exhausted) by the idea of a button that can—regardless of the intent behind the feature—potentially remove your pants.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zabuza View Post
    There are already third party mods out there that strip players down completely.
    And they're irrelevant to someone disliking the feature. As I said earlier in the thread, there's a difference between "I violated ToS and hacked the game to make everyone naked." and "SquareEnix gave me a button in-game to strip glamours away, and now half of the people who just hit level 80 and are standing around in the Crystarium market are in underwear because they were wearing YoRHa lower gear after running Copied Factory."

    The two things are not equivalent, any more than "Because some people rob banks, you should just let me withdraw $100k even though my checking account only has $208.74 in it." would be.
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  5. #1195
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohl View Post


    If you feel that there is nothing wrong with muting peoples visual expression, than why do it anonymously? Have a flag next to your name so that people that do not like the filter have the option of not playing with you (if you get harassed for it, report them, just anyone else). I vote the symbol should be a Blind Eye.
    The absolutely ironic part about this is most of the people who want the feature would not care. The people who the "flag" would drive insane would be people who are being blocked. Flag me all you like, as I have stated in the past what you see on your screen is of no consequence to me. This kind of veiled attempt to have a punishment for using the feature only speaks to how vindictive people are being in this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Packetdancer View Post
    Allow me to list a few of the canon, SquareEnix-created Squadron Recruit NPCs who may show up for your Grand Company squadron:
    • Seserikku, a lalafell who shows up dressed in a snowman costume.
    • Crilde, an elezen who shows up dressed as a reindeer.
    • Raelthota, an elezen who shows up wearing basically underwear, greaves with weird hoof-like feet, and a half-mask over the lower half of her face.
    Does any part of the story involve peoples squadrons beyond it's introduction as a feature? Do we not have a choice of whether to hire the goofs depending on appearance? can we not now control EXACTLY what they wear?
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    WHERE IS THIS KETTLE EVERYONE KEEPS INTRODUCING ME TO?

  6. #1196
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    The absolutely ironic part about this is most of the people who want the feature would not care. The people who the "flag" would drive insane would be people who are being blocked. Flag me all you like, as I have stated in the past what you see on your screen is of no consequence to me. This kind of veiled attempt to have a punishment for using the feature only speaks to how vindictive people are being in this thread.



    Does any part of the story involve peoples squadrons beyond it's introduction as a feature? Do we not have a choice of whether to hire the goofs depending on appearance? can we not now control EXACTLY what they wear?
    The point here is that there are, canonically, people that choose to fight in goofy outfits in the setting. It's an argument against the 'goofy glams break immersion/make no sense in setting' point.
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  7. #1197
    Player Wavaryen's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    The absolutely ironic part about this is most of the people who want the feature would not care. The people who the "flag" would drive insane would be people who are being blocked. Flag me all you like, as I have stated in the past what you see on your screen is of no consequence to me. This kind of veiled attempt to have a punishment for using the feature only speaks to how vindictive people are being in this thread.



    Does any part of the story involve peoples squadrons beyond it's introduction as a feature? Do we not have a choice of whether to hire the goofs depending on appearance? can we not now control EXACTLY what they wear?
    It is not the matter of the choice you are giving. From a lore and immersion standard. We got people who dress up like that in the game, You can't use immersion, if people have story elements of the goofy wacky mascot outfits in said game. So the outfits being immersion breaking is false based off story elements of the game itself.

    What other reasons do you have for having this option. As Immersion is not one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    The absolutely ironic part about this is most of the people who want the feature would not care. The people who the "flag" would drive insane would be people who are being blocked. Flag me all you like, as I have stated in the past what you see on your screen is of no consequence to me. This kind of veiled attempt to have a punishment for using the feature only speaks to how vindictive people are being in this thread.



    Does any part of the story involve peoples squadrons beyond it's introduction as a feature? Do we not have a choice of whether to hire the goofs depending on appearance? can we not now control EXACTLY what they wear?
    I don't think it's vindictive, I see it as more of giving everyone the option. I can make sense of it.. clearly there's people here who don't want to be blocked. Whats wrong with giving them a way to counter the block? We're not talking about them being toxic and the use of a blacklist. We're talking about costumes which can't be as bad as someone cursing you out. So comparing it to the blacklist was always silly. But anyway, a flag or an ingame text letting the other person know they are being blocked and giving them an option to leave or whatever. I just say give everyone the choice, if people want to block it why hide? That way everyone no matter where you stand has a choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    There's nothing unethical about it. Nobody is being harassed ot belittled by someone using this feature. It's not denying anyone their ability to live how they want. This is a video game, not a human rights movement.
    What is the likelihood that anything I have to say is going to open your eyes to the possibility of being wrong? I'd guess it is pretty low, though I would also guess that it is higher in order to save face that doesn't need saving. So, in light of my guess that nothing I say will matter to your opinion, what do you care if I find something to be both a bad idea and unethical, when the only reason I am stating it is to make my own stance succinctly clear. I have already made attempts to explain why.

    Genuine question: why do you feel that there should be limits to where human rights should be expressed? Why not have human rights everywhere there are humans?
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    Ultimately people, you don't pay others subscriptions. Client side - my screen in my home. Not your screen. I don't care what you watch so why care what I'm watching? Yes, I've spent millions on glamour and crafted and bought from the Mogstation. I will continue to do so whether anyone but me sees it or not.
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