It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Canada_bangs]

I seriously doubt that the development team would implement this kind of filter. Too much of a minefield, and stocks would take a hit (that is how real world politics influence a video game made to generate revenue). Besides, the development team seems to be more insightful than the folks who want this filter.

"... I was heading to the office on a Saturday and I saw a situation that made me very sad. I was trying to go into the office and I was waiting at a red light. I saw a high schooler coming from the other side of the road in their school uniform. It seemed that they were biologically male at birth but they were wearing a sailor fuku, which is traditionally female attire. In Japanese high schools, there’s more and more schools that are accommodating for freedom of not being restricted to a specific gender for your uniform...That person probably wanted to present the gender they identified with in their heart...On the other side of the road was a mother and a daughter. The daughter was perhaps 5 years old. As soon as the mother saw the high schooler, she shielded her daughter as if she didn’t want her daughter to see. The high schooler must have been very hurt. Situations like these still happen and there’s areas where there’s not as much understanding.

We need to see more change in the values people have, and we need to consider for Final Fantasy XIV how we push forward in-game and how we represent it."
-Naoki Yoshida (interviewed by Heather Alexandra)

Those are not the words of someone who is ok with a filter option.

If your reasons for wanting it are immersion, than ask for specific glamours (mascot like ourfits and swimwear seem to be the hot buttons)... I'm still not ok with it, but you could be fore surgical in your claim.

If you feel that there is nothing wrong with muting peoples visual expression, than why do it anonymously? Have a flag next to your name so that people that do not like the filter have the option of not playing with you (if you get harassed for it, report them, just people people who harass for their gender or attire will report harassers). I vote the symbol should be a Blind Eye.

I don't really have outrageous glamours. I don't care for the mascot suits. But I don't want to be muted because I definitely don't want it to happen to someone that it means a whole hell of a lot more too. I'll even admit that I used to think like many who want this option, but I definitely don't anymore.

I agree with this alot. I kindof made a claim like this earlier myself. But yes, if you want the option then have a flag so people know if they want to be part of that view or not. Completely agree that way everyone has choice.

[LineageRazor]

Personally, I don't have a problem with a "hide others' glamours" option. If someone wants to shut off what other people are wearing, that's fine. it doesn't affect other players in any way, unless those players are so insecure they can't bear the thought that someone out there on the Internet might not be seeing their masterful glamour.

That said, for folks worried about immersion, bear in mind that while you might not be seeing bikinis and wedding dresses anymore, you WILL be returning to the dark days of Rainbow Pimp Gear. Underneath that glamour, folks are wearing gear to maximize their stats - and there's no guarantee that gear that maximizes stats won't clash with other gear that maximizes stats...

[Wavaryen]

Personally, I don't have a problem with a "hide others' glamours" option. If someone wants to shut off what other people are wearing, that's fine. it doesn't affect other players in any way, unless those players are so insecure they can't bear the thought that someone out there on the Internet might not be seeing their masterful glamour.

That said, for folks worried about immersion, bear in mind that while you might not be seeing bikinis and wedding dresses anymore, you WILL be returning to the dark days of Rainbow Pimp Gear. Underneath that glamour, folks are wearing gear to maximize their stats - and there's no guarantee that gear that maximizes stats won't clash with other gear that maximizes stats...

It already has been pointed out. It does affect other players, To claim anything about it being insecure is just silly comment based off not how reality works for most people in the world.

[Zabuza]

It already has been pointed out. It does affect other players, To claim anything about it being insecure is just silly comment based off not how reality works for most people in the world.

Is it not an issue rooted in insecurity? Why would you need to seek the approval of others if you were happy with yourself? Needing this approval from others would imply that such a person needs additional affirmation from others to bolster their opinion in themselves, as if they are uncertain of the value of their existence. That seems like insecurity to me.

[Wavaryen]

Is it not an issue rooted in insecurity? Why would you need to seek the approval of others if you were happy with yourself? Needing this approval from others would imply that such a person needs additional affirmation from others to bolster their opinion in themselves, as if they are uncertain of the value of their existence. That seems like insecurity to me.

That is strange logic, To say it does not feel good to have someone notice your style or whatever is crazy. In fact, some studies think it is a sign of good mental health and is a very healthy to care how others perceives you.

Insecurity is not the same thing. That is like saying most women have an insecurity problem. I mean even edge lords use fashion as a statement.


I don't NEED everyone to like my fashion, but if I spent time resources on said fashion. You darn right you will see it, and should not have the power to turn it off. You can hate my style all you want. It would not bother me, but you got to see it. That is all that I care about at the end of the day.

[Zabuza]

That is strange logic, To say it does not feel good to have someone notice your style or whatever is crazy. In fact, some studies think it is a sign of good mental health and is a very healthy to care how others perceives you.

Insecurity is not the same thing. That is like saying most women have an insecurity problem. I mean even edge lords use fashion as a statement.


I don't NEED everyone to like my fashion, but if I spent time resources on said fashion. You darn right you will see it, and should not have the power to turn it off. You can hate my style all you want. It would not bother me, but you got to see it. That is all that I care about at the end of the day.

I guess at the end of the day the question is why are you putting that time and effort into the fashion? Is it for yourself or for other people's approval/compliments? If it is so that other people will notice you and shower you with praise for your choice of outfits, then it is absolutely insecurity, for the reason I explained above. If however, you are putting that time and effort into the fashion for yourself, then I don't think you would care if this glamour toggle was implemented in the first place.

[Wavaryen]

I guess at the end of the day the question is why are you putting that time and effort into the fashion? Is it for yourself or for other people's approval/compliments? If it is so that other people will notice you and shower you with praise for your choice of outfits, then it is absolutely insecurity, for the reason I explained above. If however, you are putting that time and effort into the fashion for yourself, then I don't think you would care if this glamour toggle was implemented in the first place.

All of the above?

For myself.
For others around who would enjoy it.


I don't think you understand what insecurity means. It is not that we need others to praise us. Just to be notice is enough, and it is fun. It feels good. It is the reason, I spend money like I do on matching outfits with my girl. It is the reason, when we go out. I dress up to look good for everyone.


Do you think people spend money on cosplay outfits and show it off are just insecure?


This is normal? I'm not sure why I would even have to explain common sense. You are trying to make it sound like people who dress up like to be notice has some issues. You peeps are some very anti social people.

[Lambdafish]

I don't NEED everyone to like my fashion, but if I spent time resources on said fashion. You darn right you will see it, and should not have the power to turn it off. You can hate my style all you want. It would not bother me, but you got to see it. That is all that I care about at the end of the day.

So I highlighted the summary of what you just said. All that matters is what you want, and the other player must accept that. You have taken no consideration as to what the other player may want. Reality check, the majority of the playerbase does not appeciate or care about your glamour. You are glamouring for less than 30-50 players out of thousands to actually appreciate, of which all of the above will see your glamour under this proposed feature. If someone wants a different experience, you telling them that that player is in the wrong for not caring about your glamour and wanting to create a more immersive experience for themselves is exactly what zabuza described of you, insecure and I'll add - mildly attention seeking.

[Wavaryen]

So I highlighted the summary of what you just said. All that matters is what you want, and the other player must accept that. You have taken no consideration as to what the other player may want. Reality check, the majority of the playerbase does not appeciate or care about your glamour. You are glamouring for less than 30-50 players out of thousands to actually appreciate. If someone wants a different experience, you telling them that that player is in the wrong for not caring about your glamour and wanting to create a more immersive experience for themselves is exactly what zabuza described of you, insecure and I'll add - mildly attention seeking.

Correct, all that matters is what I want because it fits the role of what a social game is. You having the power to turn off one part of social aspect of the game, does not go with a part of what mmos are. No negotiating with fashion terrorists.

[Zabuza]

All of the above?

For myself.
For others around who would enjoy it.


I don't think you understand what insecurity means. It is not that we need others to praise us. Just to be notice is enough, and it is fun. It feels good. It is the reason, I spend money like I do on matching outfits with my girl. It is the reason, when we go out. I dress up to look good for everyone.


Do you think people spend money on cosplay outfits and show it off are just insecure?


This is normal? I'm not sure why I would even have to explain common sense. You are trying to make it sound like people who dress up like to be notice has some issues. You peeps are some very anti social people.

Yes, there is a lot of insecurity in the world. That is also common sense. Most people are insecure about something or other. This is one form of it, whether you want to accept it or not.