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  1. #1101
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    It's not really how the world works at all, since not everybody cares for fashion in the first place. In fact, the vast majority of people do not seem to care for it to any significant degree beyond what they themselves find to be appealing.

    Looking at the opposition to this, there's a common trend of their lodestone profiles showing minimal investment in the game overall. So if they only want to obsess over glamour, that's fine - but their experiences in the game seem to be skewed and biased as they're not really partaking in a broad range of in-game activities in the first place. Assuming, of course, that people are posting on their main character...
    You know, this reminds me when I was younger...and hated the money I spent on Vday. I looked to my girl and said...I show you I love you every day, why do I got to spend way more than you on vday. And she was like, The things i do for beauty not just for myself, or you but for everyone. The amount of money I spend day in and day out to look good, Vday is for you to show me just how much that means to you. Now shut up and buy me this doll.

    My point is...you got some oddballs that might not care. They are not the normal. Your logic just made many of the women I know weep tears of blood.
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  2. #1102
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wavaryen View Post
    I mean that is you, but when I go out with my friends. I want to look cool for myself and them. Also, this train of thought goes against why women spend wayyyy more money than men do on beauty stuff.


    You are kinda the odd ball here. You are showing more anti social aspect. One thing not caring what others think to a certain point. However, if you go out in public looking like a bum, not caring about what others see. Well, that is kinda sad...but you do you fam. I'm just saying that most people not like that.
    No, I don't go out looking like a bum, but I certainly am not spending 75$ per each piece of clothing going to designer stores. Honestly, it's very liberating to not have to stress myself over what the sea of people around me thinks. I am happy with myself and that's all that matters. If you can see your own inner beauty, you don't need the approval of others.
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  3. #1103
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    It's not really how the world works at all, since not everybody cares for fashion in the first place. In fact, the vast majority of people do not seem to care for it to any significant degree beyond what they themselves find to be appealing.

    Looking at the opposition to this, there's a common trend of their lodestone profiles showing minimal investment in the game overall. So if they only want to obsess over glamour, that's fine - but their experiences in the game seem to be skewed and biased as they're not really partaking in a broad range of in-game activities in the first place. Assuming, of course, that people are posting on their main character...
    ...but...but I play for glamour. A lot of the game's content sucks... that's why I don't do it.

    Can you imagine doing savage? Yeah it sometimes has some cool dyable glamour, but god way too much work!
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  4. #1104
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabuza View Post
    No, I don't go out looking like a bum, but I certainly am not spending 75$ per each piece of clothing going to designer stores. Honestly, it's very liberating to not have to stress myself over what the sea of people around me thinks. I am happy with myself and that's all that matters. If you can see your own inner beauty, you don't need the approval of others.
    I mean some people don't go that far also, but part of you still cares that you don't look poorly. It is part of our nature. Comes a fine line in not caring what people think about you, but all of us like to hear we look good or being accepted even when not asked.
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  5. #1105
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabuza View Post
    I can't imagine living life caring what everyone around me thinks.
    I can't imagine posting the same buzzwords endlessly in this thread tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wavaryen View Post
    You know, this reminds me when I was younger...and hated the money I spent on Vday. I looked to my girl and said...I show you I love you every day, why do I got to spend way more than you on vday. And she was like, The things i do for beauty not just for myself, or you but for everyone. The amount of money I spend day in and day out to look good, Vday is for you to show me just how much that means to you. Now shut up and buy me this doll.
    This made me laugh. Kudos to your girlfriend, she is a keeper.

    Though I will say that it's her choice to spend that money on her appearance, nobody is forcing her to doll herself up and I'm sure you'd love her regardless of how she looked, so assuming everyone needs to see you a certain way is personal perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    I can't imagine posting the same buzzwords endlessly in this thread tbh.
    You act as if the other side isn't equally as guilty of this. 'Self-expression, harassment, self-reflection.' This is unavoidable on a topic that is discussed for 111 pages. Of course there will be repeated phrases and words.
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  8. #1108
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    This made me laugh. Kudos to your girlfriend, she is a keeper.

    Though I will say that it's her choice to spend that money on her appearance, nobody is forcing her to doll herself up and I'm sure you'd love her regardless of how she looked, so assuming everyone needs to see you a certain way is personal perspective.
    I mean sure, but it is just how we grow up. I've had some women argue that to be accepted in a social area that they needed to follow said rules. It just depends on who you grow up with.


    I had my friend read some of this stuff, and he looked at me and said this mindset depends on where you live, and who you grew up with. (well he said only white people would say something that silly..but don't want to derail into that.) When he goes out, he buys new outfits and that is the normal being a young black man, and that was acceptable with his crew. Even being a white guy myself, they gave me hell on my looks at times. I mean this is kinda going off topic, but my point being with all this is that...I thought this was normal until I was reading some of the comments. I am shocked, and more amazed that people did not understand why how other people see us would matter to players, and also from a business side. Cash shop items and all that depends on it as well.


    I try to be a open mind and understand perspectives..even if this mindset feels alien to me.
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  9. #1109
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wavaryen View Post
    I mean sure, but it is just how we grow up. I've had some women argue that to be accepted in a social area that they needed to follow said rules. It just depends on who you grow up with.


    I had my friend read some of this stuff, and he looked at me and said this mindset depends on where you live, and who you grew up with. (well he said only white people would say something that silly..but don't want to derail into that.) When he goes out, he buys new outfits and that is the normal being a young black man, and that was acceptable with his crew. Even being a white guy myself, they gave me hell on my looks at times. I mean this is kinda going off topic, but my point being with all this is that...I thought this was normal until I was reading some of the comments. I am shocked, and more amazed that people did not understand why how other people see us would matter to players, and also from a business side. Cash shop items and all that depends on it as well.


    I try to be a open mind and understand perspectives..even if this mindset feels alien to me.
    If I were in a group that expected me to buy new outfits every time I go out just to continue fitting in I would leave that group. If their only acceptance of you is your appearance then they are a very shallow bunch. I would prefer a group that would accept me for my personality and shared interests. I don't have time for superficial people in my life.

    As for cash shop items: It may just be me, but I buy them solely for me and my entertainment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabuza View Post
    You act as if the other side isn't equally as guilty of this. 'Self-expression, harassment, self-reflection.' This is unavoidable on a topic that is discussed for 111 pages. Of course there will be repeated phrases and words.
    Most of the rest of the people on both sides of the argument have at least made an effort at some point to explain and add good reasoning their stance before it devolved into the same back and fro.

    It'd actually be interesting to see how many times you've played the 'I can't imagine blah blah..' routine in this thread. I can think of two today alone.

    And honestly, I haven't got any more value to add to my views on this that I haven't already stated a couple of times so meh. I'm not going to sit here on repeat for the rest of it. It's a pretty dumb topic and in honesty, even if I was in favour of it, I still wouldn't expect SE to actually implement it. People getting hooked on the glamour game is a not so insignificant revenue source after all.
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    Last edited by Sebazy; 02-21-2020 at 05:54 AM.
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