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    Lastelli Sungsem
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omedon View Post
    But again... I made it through the filter, so it’s all ok!
    Aaaaah, I see where the problem is, now. You seem to believe that those quests are an effective gate to prevent scrubs from reaching end-game content.

    That's not the case. Because the bar is set so low, especially now that we have an easy mode, those quests simply serve as a wake-up call in case the player for some reason didn't realize he was playing an action-based mmorpg and to qualify this as a game and not a visual novel. If you believe that those quests are actually a gate, do realize that this is your problem. The community being conditioned has nothing to do with it.
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    Sindyr Ashreynason
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lastelli View Post
    Aaaaah, I see where the problem is, now. You seem to believe that those quests are an effective gate to prevent scrubs from reaching end-game content.

    That's not the case. Because the bar is set so low, especially now that we have an easy mode, those quests simply serve as a wake-up call in case the player for some reason didn't realize he was playing an action-based mmorpg and to qualify this as a game and not a visual novel. If you believe that those quests are actually a gate, do realize that this is your problem. The community being conditioned has nothing to do with it.
    I do think there are multiple cases in this thread where people are taking their skills and familiarity with this particular game very much for granted. Perhaps I do so with my meager WoW skills as well. That said, as a relative outsider looking in, there are some solo duty elements that are certainly gates, whether veterans wish to acknowledge that or not.
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    Vidu Moriquendi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omedon View Post
    I do think there are multiple cases in this thread where people are taking their skills and familiarity with this particular game very much for granted. Perhaps I do so with my meager WoW skills as well. That said, as a relative outsider looking in, there are some solo duty elements that are certainly gates, whether veterans wish to acknowledge that or not.
    The solo duties require the same things - or rather: even less, but within the same basic principles - of you than the trials and dungeons within the game. If you still feel like an "outsider looking in" after reaching level 80, I have to wonder how you got to that level without learning those basic principles or your skillset. Those 80 levels you went through and all those dungeons you've run while slowly adding more and more skills to your hotbar are the way to familiarize yourself with the game to a degree that allows you to beat such challenges.

    If you feel that you arent familiar enough with the game, you can always practise a bit at a striking dummy, look up rotations and guides or ask people for help - again this really isnt to different from single player games.
    Those quests show you what you should have learned so far - and if you havent then now is your chance to do so. If you're struggling its the game telling you "hey, you're doing something wrong" - and if you're struggling in content thats the most easy content in game, you're doing something very wrong and should try to correct that instead of coming up with excuses like "This is just to difficult for a new person"!

    One reason I dont like carrying people through content - or rather one problem I think MMOs can have is that those people will never know that they're bad at the game. They never know that they're only clearing content because the other 3/7/23 people are just a little bit better than the minimum requirement and can make up for their shortcoming. So those people never improve - and will eventually hit a roadblock like a solo-instance which shows them that they didnt learn all the things they should have learned within the last 60+ levels of playing the game - and I get that this can seem overwhelming now... but thats not a good reason not to do that now.
    If a game is telling you "Hey, you need to get better at this if you want to keep playing" you have two choices: Either improve - or quit the game. MMOs might offer you a third choice of becoming a leech, stumbling their way through the odd solo-quests but I dont think thats a choice anyone should ever make.
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    Fetrata Yatrata
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omedon View Post
    I do think there are multiple cases in this thread where people are taking their skills and familiarity with this particular game very much for granted. Perhaps I do so with my meager WoW skills as well. That said, as a relative outsider looking in, there are some solo duty elements that are certainly gates, whether veterans wish to acknowledge that or not.
    I did a very similar thing to you: I played ARR for about a month and then didn't touch it again until years later. In fact, I didn't start playing again until around September of 2018. I ran through all that old content, into the newer stuff, and got to end-game without once ever feeling like I was 'challenged' on my way to story content. So, even as someone who was similarly in your situation, unfamiliar with the game, never once did I run into anything I would consider a gate.

    What people are saying here is just fact. If you're having difficulty with these story fights, there is something fundamental you're not understanding about your class and/or the game mechanics, or you're undergeared.
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    Last edited by MightyTachikoma; 02-21-2020 at 12:44 AM.