5.2 Feedback: The story is getting a bit out of hand...

[VenKitsune]

That's because its not cliche writing like everything pre-5.0 was. If you can't keep up, thats not the games fault.

[frostmagemari]

That's because its not cliche writing like everything pre-5.0 was. If you can't keep up, thats not the games fault.

I'm sorry... not cliche? I like the story, but come on.. This writing and story style has been stamped across every final fantasy game for the past two decades in one way or another.

[Sairys]

I'm sorry... not cliche? I like the story, but come on.. This writing and story style has been stamped across every final fantasy game for the past two decades in one way or another.

That doesn't necessarily make them cliche's just tropes and common tropes help maintain the FF feel of a game across their many different actual stories.

Like, I like that the Ascian's actually kinda have an understandable goal, it makes them more interesting than just being the baddies and it's good timing to do it while playing with the other elements like the Warrior of Darkness stuff.

[frostmagemari]

That doesn't necessarily make them cliche's just tropes and common tropes help maintain the FF feel of a game across their many different actual stories.
Like, I like that the Ascian's actually kinda have an understandable goal, it makes them more interesting than just being the baddies and it's good timing to do it while playing with the other elements like the Warrior of Darkness stuff.

Cliche literally means "a phrase or opinion that is overused and betrays a lack of original thought."
When taken into the context of storytelling it is called a trope (a common or overused theme or device).

So yes, the final fantasy games are cliched.

[Sairys]

Cliche literally means "a phrase or opinion that is overused and betrays a lack of original thought."
When taken into the context of storytelling it is called a trope (a common or overused theme or device).

A trope is "a significant or recurrent theme; a motif" if you want to use google definitions

Cliches are a subset of tropes (i.e those which have been overused) but there are also tropes which would not be considered cliche because they're just a tool used to help communicate the story.

[Sandoria]

As Eorzea turns, so too do the Days of Our Lives!

Personally, I'm enjoying the story. Sure it can get a little soapy but that's half the fun.

[Sairys]

I do think there's an interesting point that's potentially approaching where these more cosmic concerns are going to clash with more worldly ones.

For example, maybe something in the First that might threaten the rejoining while Garlemald is advancing in the Source.

[Packetdancer]

Which should mean since all the scions saw the illusion they all should have woken up and gained the power of the echo

I took the fact that they didn't—and moreover, that not everyone present in the courtyard heard Hydaelyn's voice, either—to mean one of two possible things:

1. Everyone is a continually-reincarnating piece of a sundered Amaurotian soul, and the Scions and the Exarch simply lack the aetheric strength to have been awakened.
2. MANY people, but hardly everyone, is a piece of a sundered Amaurotian soul being endlessly reborn life after life, and those—who were part of a soul that was present for the Final Days—still have those memories burned into them so deeply that they're the ones who can awaken and gain the Echo.

I could buy possibility 1 as an explanation so far as Thancred goes—and maybe even the Exarch, if we assume his power stems from Allagan technology rather than inherent aetheric strength—but I find it a harder sell where Ryne, Urianger, Alphinaud, or Alisaie are concerned. (Y'shtola skates on the technicality of not having been present for this particular starshower.) But since a metric ton of people across Eorzea—including the various Eorzean leadership figures and an appreciable percentage of the Archons of the Circle of Knowing—witnessed the starshower back during the Calamity, you'd have to also assume most of the Archons—and the Elder Seedseer!—were also all aetherically weak enough not to have gained the Echo. Moreover, even if we assume it's a factor that the Scions are present in the First only in spirit form rather than in their actual bodies, it doesn't explain the fact that Urianger and Y'shtola at the very least should've already had the Echo, since they were certainly in their actual bodies during the Calamity when present as Archons.

So I'm personally leaning towards #2.

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

If they're a good guy, then they're almost assuredly dead.

If they're a bad guy, they'll be back eventually.

[Nayout]

People using the word cliche when they talk about tropes. The story is full of tropes which is no problem because they know how to use.